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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1760 on: April 14, 2021, 08:40:12 PM »
And who even remembers that a criminal record, an open warrant on illegal firearms, and escaping from officers was a central part of the discussion. ::)
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1761 on: April 14, 2021, 08:51:18 PM »
Sorry, are you equating a Black man having a criminal record and not complying with the police to a Jew dressing a certain way? I know you're not, so maybe rephrase that...
The black man was a victim of involuntary manslaughter. All the smoke you want to make does not change that fact.
Now if you want to make the case he should have been tased, go right ahead. The problem is blaming him for an illegal act by the police officer.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1762 on: April 14, 2021, 08:52:11 PM »
And who even remembers that a criminal record, an open warrant on illegal firearms, and escaping from officers was a central part of the discussion. ::)
I remember the smoke screen like it just happened.  :)
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1763 on: April 14, 2021, 08:53:08 PM »
The black man was a victim of involuntary manslaughter. All the smoke you want to make does not change that fact.
Now if you want to make the case he should have been tased, go right ahead. The problem is blaming him for an illegal act by the police officer.

So you're saying his actions, both during the stop and prior to it, contributed in no way to the outcome?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1764 on: April 14, 2021, 08:58:18 PM »
So you're saying his actions, both during the stop and prior to it, contributed in no way to the outcome?
Everything contributed to the outcome. Victim blaming is defense 101.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1765 on: April 14, 2021, 08:59:28 PM »
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2697094/daunte-wright-allegedly-choked-woman-steal-money/

@CountValentine this cop was prob pishing in her pants as this guy broke loose and was accused of choking and holding up a lady for her money. How is she supposed to know if that same weapon was still on him...?

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1766 on: April 14, 2021, 09:03:30 PM »
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2697094/daunte-wright-allegedly-choked-woman-steal-money/

@CountValentine this cop was prob pishing in her pants as this guy broke loose and was accused of choking and holding up a lady for her money. How is she supposed to know if that same weapon was still on him...?

What are the odds the officers knew any/all these facts?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1767 on: April 14, 2021, 09:03:35 PM »
Everything contributed to the outcome. Victim blaming is defense 101.

This isn’t victim blaming...if you have a record of acting against society doesn’t make a difference if your white, peach, green or black. Your going to be treated differently.

This lady put herself at risk to protect others. Why shouldn’t she be able to protect herself based on someone who clearly doesn’t value others life. This isn’t a black thing. Its just what the world now starts to focus on.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1768 on: April 14, 2021, 09:04:43 PM »
What are the odds the officers knew all these facts?

You dont think there is a police report? Running the plates brings up the owner and any other info associated

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1769 on: April 14, 2021, 09:07:25 PM »
You dont think there is a police report? Running the plates brings up the owner and any other info associated

Let’s assume that’s how it works, so they see the summary of the various priors for this guy, what are the odds they even looked into the case files and took note of these details?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1770 on: April 14, 2021, 09:09:20 PM »
Everything contributed to the outcome. Victim blaming is defense 101.

Those are 2 mutually exclusive statements. All @yuneeq was saying is that some people contribute to the outcome of becoming a victim more than others. When you do things you shouldn't be doing that increase the odds of becoming a victim, you deserve some of the blame for the outcome. No one is saying he deserved to die, or that the officer shouldn't be held responsible for her actions.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1771 on: April 14, 2021, 09:13:24 PM »
Let’s assume that’s how it works, so they see the summary of the various priors for this guy, what are the odds they even looked into the case files and took note of these details?

Forget the nitty gritty details. The reason they pulled him from the car is because they saw the open warrant. Considering what the warrant is for, which they would have definitely seen, that's reason to be on high alert and to treat him like a potential threat. Again, that doesn't justify the outcome, but it definitely contributes to it.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1772 on: April 14, 2021, 09:15:22 PM »
All @yuneeq was saying is that some people contribute to the outcome of becoming a victim more than others.
You mean like a women who dresses a certain way and gets raped? Or a women who goes to bars drinking and gets raped? Or a women who parties to 3am and gets raped?


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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1773 on: April 14, 2021, 09:16:07 PM »
Forget the nitty gritty details. The reason they pulled him from the car is because they saw the open warrant. Considering what the warrant is for, which they would have definitely seen, that's reason to be on high alert and to treat him like a potential threat. Again, that doesn't justify the outcome, but it definitely contributes to it.
Wasn't the warrant for missing a court date?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1774 on: April 14, 2021, 09:20:09 PM »
You mean like a women who dresses a certain way and gets raped? Or a women who goes to bars drinking and gets raped? Or a women who parties to 3am and gets raped?




No, because getting raped is not a sense of defense. What kind of out of the park example was that?
This was a lady acting in self defense not outright attacking someone living there life

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1775 on: April 14, 2021, 09:20:27 PM »
You mean like a women who dresses a certain way and gets raped? Or a women who goes to bars drinking and gets raped? Or a women who parties to 3am and gets raped?

To be clear, you're equating a woman's right to dress how she wants without consequences to a person's right to commit armed robbery and run from the cops without consequences?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1776 on: April 14, 2021, 09:22:09 PM »
Wasn't the warrant for missing a court date?

Have you ever seen a warrant for missing a court date? It tells you why they were supposed to be in court.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1777 on: April 14, 2021, 09:23:35 PM »
To be clear, you're equating a woman's right to dress how she wants without consequences to a person's right to commit armed robbery and run from the cops without consequences?
I am not equating anything. I ask if those examples were "some people contribute to the outcome of becoming a victim more than others"
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1778 on: April 14, 2021, 09:24:09 PM »
Have you ever seen a warrant for missing a court date? It tells you why they were supposed to be in court.
So that is a yes?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1779 on: April 14, 2021, 09:28:23 PM »
I am not equating anything. I ask if those examples were "some people contribute to the outcome of becoming a victim more than others"

Women don't get raped because of what they are wearing. Women get raped because bad people do bad things.
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