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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1780 on: April 14, 2021, 09:29:41 PM »
So that is a yes?

That's a "it doesn't matter." Regardless of what the warrant was for, it still labels him as a threat.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1781 on: April 14, 2021, 09:32:35 PM »
Women don't get raped because of what they are wearing. Women get raped because bad people do bad things.
This black man didn't get killed because of prior possible bad acts. He was killed because of (involuntary manslaughter) the crime of killing another human being unlawfully but unintentionally.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1782 on: April 14, 2021, 09:34:47 PM »
That's a "it doesn't matter." Regardless of what the warrant was for, it still labels him as a threat.
Everyone can decide for themselves what matters. Lets keep the facts straight. The outstanding warrant was for not showing up for a court date.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1783 on: April 14, 2021, 09:40:16 PM »
Everyone can decide for themselves what matters. Lets keep the facts straight. The outstanding warrant was for not showing up for a court date.

Ok...that just makes things more threatening. This guy has a court date for armed robbery and then misses it. Just think about how you would proceed to such a car knowing this info

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1784 on: April 14, 2021, 09:41:17 PM »
This black man didn't get killed because of prior possible bad acts. He was killed because of (involuntary manslaughter) the crime of killing another human being unlawfully but unintentionally.

Without those prior bad acts, the gun doesn't get drawn. Most likely, without those prior bad acts he doesn't try to run. I'm not understanding how you equate a woman dressing provocatively with committing armed robbery or running from the cops during a traffic stop.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1785 on: April 14, 2021, 09:42:35 PM »
Everyone can decide for themselves what matters. Lets keep the facts straight. The outstanding warrant was for not showing up for a court date.

What the warrant is for is irrelevant. What it says on that warrant is what determines the threat level.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1786 on: April 14, 2021, 09:45:35 PM »
Without those prior bad acts, the gun doesn't get drawn. Most likely, without those prior bad acts he doesn't try to run.
You have no way of knowing these things. Lets stick to the facts and please stop saying I am equating things when I explained I wasn't.

I fully understand why you are twisting things.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1787 on: April 14, 2021, 09:49:28 PM »
You have no way of knowing these things. Lets stick to the facts and please stop saying I am equating things when I explained I wasn't.

I fully understand why you are twisting things.

Ok, betting man. Give me odds. A cop pulls over a car. In the car is a:

A) White man, no priors, no resistance,
B) Black man, no priors, no resistance,
C) White man, violent priors, resists arrest,
D) Black man, violent priors, resists arrest.

Rank them in order of the odds you would give them to get shot by the cop.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1788 on: April 14, 2021, 09:52:21 PM »
Ok, betting man. Give me odds. A cop pulls over a car. In the car is a:

A) White man, no priors, no resistance,
B) Black man, no priors, no resistance,
C) White man, violent priors, resists arrest,
D) Black man, violent priors, resists arrest.

Rank them in order of the odds you would give them to get shot by the cop.
Zero on all of them unless the offender gave the officers a reason to use deadly force.

Now back to this warrant. You are going to have back up your statements about it.
According to The New York Times, the warrant against Wright was because he failed to turn up for his court appearance via Zoom call. He had a court hearing on two misdemeanor charges — one was for illegal possession of a Ruger .45 pistol without a permit and another was for fleeing police officers last summer.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1789 on: April 14, 2021, 10:06:56 PM »

Now back to this warrant. You are going to have back up your statements about it.
According to The New York Times, the warrant against Wright was because he failed to turn up for his court appearance via Zoom call. He had a court hearing on two misdemeanor charges — one was for illegal possession of a Ruger .45 pistol without a permit and another was for fleeing police officers last summer.

Ok so she possibly thought that he may have a weapon on him. So when he gets back into his car he may pull it out


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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1790 on: April 14, 2021, 10:08:39 PM »
Zero on all of them unless the offender gave the officers a reason to use deadly force.

BS. I'm not talking about Utopia, I'm talking here in these United States.

Now back to this warrant. You are going to have back up your statements about it.
According to The New York Times, the warrant against Wright was because he failed to turn up for his court appearance via Zoom call. He had a court hearing on two misdemeanor charges — one was for illegal possession of a Ruger .45 pistol without a permit and another was for fleeing police officers last summer.

What about an unlicensed firearm and fleeing police doesn't raise the threat level?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1791 on: April 14, 2021, 10:35:31 PM »
It comes down to simple "victim blaming".

A Jew can be attacked just because of the way he/she dresses. No one in their right mind would blame the Jew for dressing a certain way.

So I wasn’t wrong, in fact it’s all about political correctness, got you.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1792 on: April 14, 2021, 10:47:36 PM »
So I wasn’t wrong, in fact it’s all about political correctness, got you.
Since when is victim blaming about political correctness.
My fault for thinking you wanted an honest discussion instead of a game of "got you".  ::)
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1793 on: April 15, 2021, 12:10:41 AM »
Women don't get raped because of what they are wearing. Women get raped because bad people do bad things.
No difference for CV, but FYI, the Torah absolutely ascribes blame for a woman if her behavior results in her being raped by a bad person.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1794 on: April 15, 2021, 12:33:51 AM »
Since when is victim blaming about political correctness.
My fault for thinking you wanted an honest discussion instead of a game of "got you".  ::)

There's a big difference between blaming a victim (someone trips down the stairs) and blaming someone that contributes to their own bad outcome (someone walking on the edge of a cliff). The fact that you can't comprehend the nuance is because it's not politically correct to hold people accountable. But from my Torah learnings I was taught that taking personal responsibility of your life is extremely important, if I run recklessly in front of a car - I can't blame the driver, I can't blame God, I can blame myself and myself only.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1795 on: April 15, 2021, 12:39:26 AM »
No difference for CV, but FYI, the Torah absolutely ascribes blame for a woman if her behavior results in her being raped by a bad person.

The Torah has very different standards than the society we live in.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1796 on: April 15, 2021, 12:41:09 AM »
The Torah has very different standards than the society we live in.
Maybe but we shall not lose our clear vision therefore.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1797 on: April 15, 2021, 12:45:11 AM »
Maybe but we shall not lose our clear vision therefore.

Not in dispute. But I'm not about to hold the general public to standards the Torah set for Jews.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1798 on: April 15, 2021, 12:48:41 AM »
Not in dispute. But I'm not about to hold the general public to standards the Torah set for Jews.
Of course not, but why agree to a faulty positing.
But correct, his analogy of the two victim blaming is way off regardless.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1799 on: April 15, 2021, 12:52:21 AM »
Not in dispute. But I'm not about to hold the general public to standards the Torah set for Jews.

Regardless our views make no practical difference. Whether or not he deserves some blame is just a mental exercise to determine whether it's a death or a tragedy. The lessons learned should be the same- improve the policing protocols to prevent cases like this.
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