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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1860 on: April 15, 2021, 03:23:55 PM »
I love the way you word things "disproportionate consequence". Do you mean him being killed unlawfully?
what are your thoughts on 13yr old Adam Toledo being shot by Chicago Police after ignoring orders to drop the gun he was holding?

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1861 on: April 15, 2021, 03:29:37 PM »

FTFY
No duh, one is black on white
The other is white on black

Flip it for a second. Would a Black person being shot and killed at a riot even touch your radar? You want to call out the media's bias, go ahead, by all means. But recognize your own bias, too...
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1863 on: April 15, 2021, 04:59:00 PM »


But recognize your own bias, too...

I did, a long time ago. That's what happens when I live in the hood.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1864 on: April 15, 2021, 05:14:20 PM »
what are your thoughts on 13yr old Adam Toledo being shot by Chicago Police after ignoring orders to drop the gun he was holding?
@CountValentine eta he actually tossed the gun before he was shot... that is a brutal video to watch :'(

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1865 on: April 15, 2021, 06:33:32 PM »
There are differences between causation, fault(/blame), and legal liability.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1866 on: April 15, 2021, 08:12:57 PM »
@CountValentine eta he actually tossed the gun before he was shot... that is a brutal video to watch :'(
According to the bodycam he dropped the gun less than a second before the cop shot him

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1867 on: April 15, 2021, 08:13:35 PM »
@CountValentine eta he actually tossed the gun before he was shot... that is a brutal video to watch :'(
According to the bodycam he dropped the gun less than a second before the cop shot him

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1868 on: April 15, 2021, 08:39:32 PM »
Flip it for a second. Would a Black person being shot and killed at a riot even touch your radar? You want to call out the media's bias, go ahead, by all means. But recognize your own bias, too...

What kind of nonsense?

Do you know the name of the black police officer who was murdered at a blm riot? For some reason, that doesn't bother any of your fellow social justice warriors. Any chance because it doesn't fit the PC narrative?

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1869 on: April 15, 2021, 08:46:44 PM »
What kind of nonsense?

Do you know the name of the black police officer who was murdered at a blm riot? For some reason, that doesn't bother any of your fellow social justice warriors. Any chance because it doesn't fit the PC narrative?

Pause for a second... did you just accuse me of being PC and being a social justice warrior?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1870 on: April 15, 2021, 10:26:42 PM »
Pause for a second... did you just accuse me of being PC and being a social justice warrior?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1871 on: April 15, 2021, 11:38:20 PM »
Ashli Bambitt murderers not even being prosecuted. When victim is on the other side of the political points scoreboard, the warm fuzzy feelings disappear and any remote hypothetical justifies their murder.
The timing of your post indicates that you listen to each Ben Shapiro podcast within an hour or so after it becomes available.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1872 on: April 15, 2021, 11:52:48 PM »
The timing of your post indicates that you listen to each Ben Shapiro podcast within an hour or so after it becomes available.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1873 on: April 16, 2021, 09:09:33 AM »
The timing of your post indicates that you listen to each Ben Shapiro podcast within an hour or so after it becomes available.
Even if true, it wouldn’t change the nature of his argument.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1874 on: April 16, 2021, 02:01:11 PM »
Source?
Dragging this back a bit, as I forgot to respond with the source, which is quite an interesting one and goes to show the level of accountability the Torah and Chazal holds people to.

Rashis we all learned in the Parsha.

 


So this is truly astonishing, what looks like a classic atrocity in which שלומית בת דברי was totally innocent, yet in פרשת אמור we see chazal calling her a זונה, and even for the sanctity of klal yisrael as a whole, we can't say that they were all גדורין מעריות, there was an exception for one individual, אחת היתה ופרסמה הכתוב, and all of because her irresponsible behavior which resulted in that terrible obscenity.

 


Of course the perpetrator got his punishment to the fullest extent, Moshe rabbeinu killed him on the next day, ראה מה עשה לו בבית ומה עשה לו בשדה, but  שלומית בת דברי also get her share of blame and shame.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1875 on: April 18, 2021, 08:03:12 AM »
Dragging this back a bit, as I forgot to respond with the source, which is quite an interesting one and goes to show the level of accountability the Torah and Chazal holds people to.

Rashis we all learned in the Parsha.


So this is truly astonishing, what looks like a classic atrocity in which שלומית בת דברי was totally innocent, yet in פרשת אמור we see chazal calling her a זונה, and even for the sanctity of klal yisrael as a whole, we can't say that they were all גדורין מעריות, there was an exception for one individual, אחת היתה ופרסמה הכתוב, and all of because her irresponsible behavior which resulted in that terrible obscenity.

My assumption always was that these two midrashim do not agree with each other
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1876 on: April 18, 2021, 11:10:33 AM »
My assumption always was that these two midrashim do not agree with each other
Well, the Midrash says that the reason why the מקלל was מגדף בשם המפורש was because he was told when he was יצא חייב בבי׳׳ד של משה רבינו that his real father was the איש מצרי whom Moshe killed בשם המפורש, that would make both stories align together so it's not midrashim mechulakim. Rashi also connects the the two stories as one, and same is clear in פירושי הרא׳׳ש וחזקוני.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1877 on: April 18, 2021, 11:24:18 AM »
Dragging this back a bit, as I forgot to respond with the source, which is quite an interesting one and goes to show the level of accountability the Torah and Chazal holds people to.

Rashis we all learned in the Parsha.

 


So this is truly astonishing, what looks like a classic atrocity in which שלומית בת דברי was totally innocent, yet in פרשת אמור we see chazal calling her a זונה, and even for the sanctity of klal yisrael as a whole, we can't say that they were all גדורין מעריות, there was an exception for one individual, אחת היתה ופרסמה הכתוב, and all of because her irresponsible behavior which resulted in that terrible obscenity.

 


Of course the perpetrator got his punishment to the fullest extent, Moshe rabbeinu killed him on the next day, ראה מה עשה לו בבית ומה עשה לו בשדה, but  שלומית בת דברי also get her share of blame and shame.

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Had the mitzri not done what he had done would she still have been worthy of the zonah title?
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1878 on: April 18, 2021, 11:31:31 AM »
Had the mitzri not done what he had done would she still have been worthy of the zonah title?
Perhaps not, Rashi stresses לפיכך קלקלה. We have a klal בישראל מחשבה רעה אין הקב׳׳ה מצרף למעשה, and there wasn't even a מחשבה רעה on this ending. But the point stands regardless, her behavior was bad because it can result in such an ending, and indeed ended so.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1879 on: April 18, 2021, 11:34:07 AM »
Had the mitzri not done what he had done would she still have been worthy of the zonah title?

There are a few interesting sichos from the Rebbe on that. Maybe someone can send you some links.
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