The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[Happyguy]

Positive test today in that BM in the Mir, as well as Multiple positives in other BMim.

This is clearly not working out for the mir
Any idea if they are working on a better plan for end of this or next zman?

Stop bashing Mir!! The Chabura that closed was open throughout Summer Zman. It was in a different Beis hamedrash. the average age of the Chabura is 30+. Please get your facts straight. They only had a couple of new avreichim come into chabura for Elul. The chabura was Avreichim only no bachurim. IMHO was nothing to do with Mir getting it wrong - they were very makpid about masks, social distancing etc.
The Bachurim have come back from Ein Gedi today so we will see what happens with that...............

[yfr bachur]

This is clearly not working out for the mir
Any idea if they are working on a better plan for end of this or next zman?

This chaburah had no issues from when they came back last zman.
There's no way to know if it's now infection spreading round the chabura, or because its widespread in the wider community, separate infections of members of the chabura.

There are also chaburos that are sitting now w/o masks at all, and they are definitely not getting tested, so we have no idea if casual contact with them (stairwells, bathrooms...) in the cause of the infection.

[CRACKERJACK]

The Chabura that closed was open throughout Summer Zman. They only had a couple of new avreichim come into chabura for Elul. The chabura was Avreichim only no bachurim. IMHO was nothing to do with Mir getting it wrong - they were very makpid about masks, social distancing etc.
The Bachurim have come back from Ein Gedi today so we will see what happens with that...............

I was not saying the mir got it wrong! or bashing in any way!
I am concerned about returning to the mir!

Im pretty sure there are other chaburahs other then NG that have positive cases! Also not 100% sure but i hear that a rebbi got it and was in ein gedi!
 

[yfr bachur]

Stop bashing Mir!! The Chabura that closed was open throughout Summer Zman. It was in a different Beis hamedrash. the average age of the Chabura is 30+. Please get your facts straight. They only had a couple of new avreichim come into chabura for Elul. The chabura was Avreichim only no bachurim. IMHO was nothing to do with Mir getting it wrong - they were very makpid about masks, social distancing etc.
The Bachurim have come back from Ein Gedi today so we will see what happens with that...............

They had a bunch of new avreichim come into chabura for Elul.
They're not the only chaburah with issues.

I was not saying the mir got it wrong!
I am concerned about returning to the mir!

Im pretty sure there are other chaburahs other then NG that have positive cases! Also not 100% sure but i hear that a rebbi got it and was in ein gedi!
 

There's def things that they could do to improve.
If someone doesn't care about corona, (for argument sakes) that's his issue, but they should be given a totally separate building to learn, eat, daven in.
There' s no social distancing on the buses at all, they are SRO.
R' Ashers shiur is jammed.
There's no Temp checks any more.

[Happyguy]

There's def things that they could do to improve.
If someone doesn't care about corona, (for argument sakes) that's his issue, but they should be given a totally separate building to learn, eat, daven in.
There' s no social distancing on the buses at all, they are SRO.
R' Ashers shiur is jammed.
There's no Temp checks any more.

Agreed.
Why can't R' Oshers shiur be only on live stream and put various hookups in different dining/shiur rooms and partition them off?

[Yard sale]

https://mishpacha.com/the-real-test/

A good lesson for those who thing that every video that someone puts out from Rav Chayim can be construed as a blanket horaah for Jews around the world (March comes to mind) rather than a specific answer to a specific query...

[Kobe Bryant]

Israel’s Health Ministry reported 2,349 new coronavirus cases on Motzei Shabbos. There are currently 26,283 active cases, with 439 seriously ill patients, of whom 128 are ventilated.

Fourteen additional fatalities were recorded on Shabbos, raising the death toll to 1,007. Israeli has now reached the grim milestone of being the 49th country in the world to suffer over 1,000 coronavirus fatalities.

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https://www.jpost.com/opinion/how-israel-went-from-right-to-wrong-on-coronavirus-641197

[Ergel]

Now we are going to get evening curfews and closing schools. What a waste of everyone's energy. Just a complete lack of logic and direction

[m65]

https://mishpacha.com/the-real-test/

its funny and sad that mishpacha and so many others only realize this when a psak comes out that tickles them the wrong way.
it would be hard to deny that the same case can be made for hundreds of others rulings coming in the name of reb chaim

[Euclid]

its funny and sad that mishpacha and so many others only realize this when a psak comes out that tickles them the wrong way.
it would be hard to deny that the same case can be made for hundreds of others rulings coming in the name of reb chaim

Please provide an example of another 'misrepresented' psak from R' Chaim that had pikuach nefashos ramifications...

[m65]

Please provide an example of another 'misrepresented' psak from R' Chaim that had pikuach nefashos ramifications...

im not about to dig into every psak, misrepresented or not, and discuss whether or not its ramifications include pikuach nefesh.
but i'll take one recent "psak" in his name that has very serious ramifications, as an example.
during the first lockdown, it was publicized in reb chaim's name that anyone who made a minyan is a rodef and must be informed on to the local authorities.
the "psak" was obviously bogus, because reb chaim himself had a minyan in his house 3 times a day throughout the whole lockdown, as did at least 2 of his son in laws in their house as well. the minyanim were not only made up immediate family members.
unfortunately, people took this "psak" pretty seriously.
that has pretty bad ramifications.
i didnt hear of any clarifications from mishpacha and their sort.
im not gonna continue this sugya any more over here (bli neder, unless someone really ticks me off), because i dont want chalila to be taken as a reb chaim basher, and bec i dont think this is the right forum to discuss such heavy issues. whatever sensible arguments which will be made, will be taken by many the wrong way.

[Happyguy]

i'm not gonna continue this sugya any more over here (bli neder, unless someone really ticks me off), because i don't want chalila to be taken as a reb chaim basher, and because i don't think this is the right forum to discuss such heavy issues. whatever sensible arguments which will be made, will be taken by many the wrong way.

Good for you!

[CRACKERJACK]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286553

Is there a lockdown?

[Happyguy]

Is there a lockdown?

No it has changed to a curfew for 40 areas in Israel.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286706

[NTorch]

Final curfew list:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286834

3392 diagnosed in Israel yesterday:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286820

[Kobe Bryant]

Curfew Approved In 40 “Red Zones,” Including Chareidi Neighborhoods In J-m & RBS, Bnei Brak, Beitar, Elad*

The Knesset’s Ministerial Committee on Declaring Restricted Zones approved a list of 40 “red cities” that will be subject to a nightly curfew and other restrictions beginning on Tuesday evening at 7 p.m.

The curfew will extend from 7 p.m. until 5 a.m. in the designated cities, which include Bnei Brak, Elad, Beitar Illit, Emmanuel, Netivot, Rechasim and neighborhoods in Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Sderot.

[Ergel]

The level of compliance is going to be very low. The only things that will actually happen because of the lockdown are Beis Yaakov's being closed and restaurants closed at night. That's going to solve the whole issue 

[Kobe Bryant]

The level of compliance is going to be very low. The only things that will actually happen because of the lockdown are Beis Yaakov's being closed and restaurants closed at night. That's going to solve the whole issue 

That is more compliance than the NY quarantine for those coming from out of state.

[NTorch]

From the Arutz Sheva news briefs

1,213 COVID-19-related fines in 1 day

Over the past 24 hours, Israeli police have handed out 1,213 fines to residents for failure to conform to Ministry of Health guidelines.

In addition, 13 venues have been shut down due to allowing mass gatherings to take place.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/515402