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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1820 on: February 17, 2021, 12:11:12 AM »
The fetuses in Lakewood were healthy too, before they got Covid. I think it's a case of the Israeli media hyping things up again.
The presumption in most cases is that the covid affects the mother and the fetus dies as a result. This appears to be the first documented case where the stillborn tested positive for Covid. I believe it wasn't even documented that a fetus can even be infected from the mother, only that the mother transfers antibodies. (I'm sure I'm using the wrong terminology here)

https://twitter.com/adiryanko/status/1361568013808508929

 
Israel is getting really close to vaccinating the maximum number of people. Currently 43.7% of the population received at least 1 dose, when you add nearly 8% of the population who tested positive (minus some overlap) you're at around 50%. Approximately 30% of the population is under 16, so they're not eligible. That leaves around 20% (1.8 million people) who haven't received at least 1 dose.
They're probably going to start vaccinating those who had Covid already in a few days, and I think there is a study that it is supposed to prove safety & efficacy in kids by April. There was talk in the Israeli government of running a small Israeli trial for kids as well
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1821 on: February 17, 2021, 02:48:49 AM »
i downloaded תעודות מחלים for the whole family. the adults came in english as well with passport numbers, the children's came only in hebrew.
any way to get an english one for them too?

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1822 on: February 17, 2021, 07:50:31 AM »
i downloaded תעודות מחלים for the whole family. the adults came in english as well with passport numbers, the children's came only in hebrew.
any way to get an english one for them too?
How did you get the passport numbers on it for the adults ?

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1823 on: February 17, 2021, 09:05:02 AM »
The presumption in most cases is that the covid affects the mother and the fetus dies as a result. This appears to be the first documented case where the stillborn tested positive for Covid. I believe it wasn't even documented that a fetus can even be infected from the mother, only that the mother transfers antibodies. (I'm sure I'm using the wrong terminology here)

https://twitter.com/adiryanko/status/1361568013808508929

 They're probably going to start vaccinating those who had Covid already in a few days, and I think there is a study that it is supposed to prove safety & efficacy in kids by April. There was talk in the Israeli government of running a small Israeli trial for kids as well

My son is in yeshiva in Israel and had covid and has the Ministry of Health certificate of antibodies and they still vaccinated him through Clalit.

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1824 on: February 17, 2021, 09:12:02 AM »
I actually believe Obama spent most of his presidency clamoring for bipartisanship to prove a black man can be accepted instead of forcefully pushing agendas.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1825 on: February 17, 2021, 10:53:08 AM »
The presumption in most cases is that the covid affects the mother and the fetus dies as a result. This appears to be the first documented case where the stillborn tested positive for Covid. I believe it wasn't even documented that a fetus can even be infected from the mother, only that the mother transfers antibodies. (I'm sure I'm using the wrong terminology here)
I said before. This is not true as I know first-hand from a number of people in Lakewood who have lost their babies. The stillborns themselves tested positive for Covid.

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1826 on: February 17, 2021, 11:02:02 AM »
I said before. This is not true as I know first-hand from a number of people in Lakewood who have lost their babies. The stillborns themselves tested positive for Covid.

How is no one keeping track of this??
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1827 on: February 17, 2021, 11:08:57 AM »
How is no one keeping track of this??
I don't know. I heard of two. One I know personally. A Morah in a playgroup.

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The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1828 on: February 17, 2021, 11:17:42 AM »
How is no one keeping track of this??
It would need to be tracked from one of two sources: OBs and Chevra Kadisha.

I don't think there's unification amongst OBs here; remember they're competitors. 

Chevra Kadisha has stillborn numbers but 1) have no way to link to covid and 2) is extremely private and sensitive work so they probably won't give out these stats unless needed ltoeles harabim (which would probably need to be initiated by rabbonim).

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1829 on: February 17, 2021, 11:24:34 AM »
It would need to be tracked from one of two sources: OBs and Chevra Kadisha.

I don't think there's unification amongst OBs here; remember they're competitors. 

Chevra Kadisha has stillborn numbers but 1) have no way to link to covid and 2) is extremely private and sensitive work so they probably won't give out these stats unless needed ltoeles harabim (which would probably need to be initiated by rabbonim).

All medical stuff is personal and private. However, if everyone is being poisoned by the town well, there comes a point when public safety supersedes privacy or business competition.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1830 on: February 17, 2021, 11:46:59 AM »
All medical stuff is personal and private. However, if everyone is being poisoned by the town well, there comes a point when public safety supersedes privacy or business competition.

Especially since they wouldn't be naming anyone, just publishing anonymous aggregates.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1831 on: February 17, 2021, 11:49:23 AM »
I said before. This is not true as I know first-hand from a number of people in Lakewood who have lost their babies. The stillborns themselves tested positive for Covid.

R"L thats tragic.

At the same time it narrows the scope to mother-positive-at-childbirth (or 3rd trimester, or even anytime during pregnancy if COVID increases miscarriage rates) vs. this being a long-COVID issue that could CH"V manifest a long time after infection.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1832 on: February 17, 2021, 01:15:25 PM »
How did you get the passport numbers on it for the adults ?
it came up by itself

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1833 on: February 17, 2021, 01:23:22 PM »
Next week's reopening framework.

https://www.mako.co.il/news-lifestyle/2021_q1/Article-
3bf27ccb1d0b771026.htm

Although vaccinated adults can go to restaurants etc, kids won't be allowed to enter..
As for hotels, vaccinated adults can go but kids will have to do covid test beforehand  :-X


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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1835 on: February 17, 2021, 02:12:24 PM »
https://twitter.com/itayblumental/status/1362040460060033025

And in Seattle, a 90yo woman walked 6 miles in snow so she doesn’t miss her vaccine appointment
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1836 on: February 17, 2021, 02:13:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/itayblumental/status/1362040460060033025

And in Seattle, a 90yo woman walked 6 miles in snow so she doesn’t miss her vaccine appointment

If walking 6 miles in the snow didn't kill her, COVID doesn't stand a chance :D
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1838 on: February 17, 2021, 06:52:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/globesnews/status/1361948830292443138

If 1-2m people need live lectures from epidemiologists to get vaccinated, it won’t happen.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1839 on: February 18, 2021, 02:06:43 AM »
Now we have a real seger ;D