Author Topic: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel  (Read 144106 times)

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2120 on: March 31, 2021, 08:11:54 PM »
And so how do you propose to reopen, given our limited knowledge right now?
You are presuming there was an actual shutdown...
I don't like what Australia did, but it worked. Israel did it nisht ahin nisht aher.
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 60673
  • Total likes: 7974
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA Global Services, AA Lifetime Plat, DL Dirt, SPG Plat, Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, Hilton Diamond, Priority Club Plat, Avis Chairman, National EE, Hertz PC
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2121 on: March 31, 2021, 08:18:55 PM »
You are presuming there was an actual shutdown...
I don't like what Australia did, but it worked. Israel did it nisht ahin nisht aher.
Clearly there is something, given that they still don't want forgieners.
What's inherently wrong with nisht ahin nisht aher? Australia closed down for weeks every time there was a case. That wasn't practical in Israel as people weren't willing to be hermetically sealed for years.

Australia lost 1 in 27,899 people.
Israel lost 1 in 1,462 people.
The US lost 1 in 595.
Italy lost 1 in 553 people.
The UK lost 1 in 524 people

Every country has to live with their compromises, but that's not a bad result for Israel.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 08:21:59 PM by Dan »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2122 on: March 31, 2021, 08:27:53 PM »
Clearly there is something, given that they still don't want forgieners.
What's inherently wrong with nisht ahin nisht aher? Australia closed down for weeks every time there was a case. That wasn't practical in Israel as people weren't willing to be hermetically sealed for years.

Australia lost 1 in 27,899 people.
Israel lost 1 in 1,462 people.
The US lost 1 in 595.
Italy lost 1 in 553 people.

Every country has to live with their compromises, but that's not a bad result for Israel.
I'm not sure of Israel vs US but I understand that Israel vs Sweden, when adjusted for population age, comes out very similar.
In my thinking nisht ahin nisht aher should completely erode peoples trust in the government (as of that needs any help deteriorating). I'm really surprised by the vaccine drives success.
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 60673
  • Total likes: 7974
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA Global Services, AA Lifetime Plat, DL Dirt, SPG Plat, Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, Hilton Diamond, Priority Club Plat, Avis Chairman, National EE, Hertz PC
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2123 on: March 31, 2021, 08:33:02 PM »
I'm not sure of Israel vs US but I understand that Israel vs Sweden, when adjusted for population age, comes out very similar.
In my thinking nisht ahin nisht aher should completely erode peoples trust in the government (as of that needs any help deteriorating). I'm really surprised by the vaccine drives success.
Give me a break, adjusted for age  ::) ::) ::).
1 in 760 Swedes died of COVID. More than twice the number of Israeli COVID deaths in a country with a fairly close number of people in it. That's a horrendous loss of life
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2124 on: March 31, 2021, 08:35:03 PM »
Give me a break, adjusted for age  ::) ::) ::).
1 in 760 Swedes died of COVID. More than twice the number of Israeli COVID deaths in a country with a fairly close number of people in it. That's a horrendous loss of life
Why shouldnt age be adjusted for? Its very reasonable to say that a younger demographic is a major contributor to the relatively positive outcome
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 13091
  • Total likes: 7745
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2125 on: March 31, 2021, 09:33:15 PM »
Give me a break, adjusted for age  ::) ::) ::).
1 in 760 Swedes died of COVID. More than twice the number of Israeli COVID deaths in a country with a fairly close number of people in it. That's a horrendous loss of life
Also a much more concentrated population
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 60673
  • Total likes: 7974
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA Global Services, AA Lifetime Plat, DL Dirt, SPG Plat, Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, Hilton Diamond, Priority Club Plat, Avis Chairman, National EE, Hertz PC
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2126 on: March 31, 2021, 09:34:40 PM »
Also a much more concentrated population
Exactly why it's a fools errand to start correcting for age, climate, density, etc.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline etech0

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 12125
  • Total likes: 2174
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: not lakewood
  • Programs: DDF
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2127 on: March 31, 2021, 09:46:33 PM »
Exactly why it's a fools errand to start correcting for age, climate, density, etc.
% of DDFers too
Workflowy. You won't know what you're missing until you try it.

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2128 on: April 01, 2021, 02:50:01 AM »
Exactly why it's a fools errand to start correcting for age, climate, density, etc.
I hear
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪

Offline Moshe123

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Sep 2012
  • Posts: 5678
  • Total likes: 443
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Spring Valley
  • Programs: Lost

Offline AsherO

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 20K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 26070
  • Total likes: 3227
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 75
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2130 on: April 01, 2021, 09:29:21 AM »
And we got the fabulous news this morning.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-confirm-high-efficacy-and-no-serious

Further confirmation of previous numbers. Surprising that they report efficacy against severe disease but not against death. Also, the South African strain data is iffy with only 800 participants enrolled in SA.

Online S209

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2016
  • Posts: 5951
  • Total likes: 2135
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Gowns By Shevy
  • Location: Lakewood, NJ
  • Programs: Marriott Gold, SPG Gold, Ritz Carlton Gold, *G, Hyatt Explorist, Hertz PC, National EE, Rock Royalty Wild Card, Wyndham Diamond, MLife Gold, Total Rewards Diamond, Hilton Diamond, Uber VIP, IHG Platinum Elite, DDF Prez Platinum Elite, AmEx Platinum
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2131 on: April 01, 2021, 10:32:55 AM »

IMO very worrying for the pro vax community regular people.
FTFY

I don’t know what cult you think people are in, but there is no pro-vax “community”. You’re mistaking us for the anti-vaxxers.
Gowns By Shevy
732-806-1136
info@gownsbyshevy.com

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2132 on: April 01, 2021, 11:54:55 AM »
FTFY

I don’t know what cult you think people are in, but there is no pro-vax “community”. You’re mistaking us for the anti-vaxxers.
I should correct it to pro vax as proposed by the Israeli government community. So in 6 months or whenever they decide it isn't exactly 100% safe according to their standards (go figure that out...) they will suddenly shut down the schools or something. I'm not anti vax in general, the issue is when things get this politicized and authoritarian. This is very clearly experimental medicine on some level. They are effectively mandating it, that's not OK.
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 60673
  • Total likes: 7974
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA Global Services, AA Lifetime Plat, DL Dirt, SPG Plat, Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, Hilton Diamond, Priority Club Plat, Avis Chairman, National EE, Hertz PC
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2133 on: April 01, 2021, 11:56:47 AM »
I should correct it to pro vax as proposed by the Israeli government community. So in 6 months or whenever they decide it isn't exactly 100% safe according to their standards (go figure that out...) they will suddenly shut down the schools or something. I'm not anti vax in general, the issue is when things get this politicized and authoritarian. This is very clearly experimental medicine on some level. They are effectively mandating it, that's not OK.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-six-months-bn/index.html

Next argument?

When you're trying to save lives and the economy, you do what needs to be done and play things by ear if necessary.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2134 on: April 01, 2021, 11:59:14 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-six-months-bn/index.html

Next argument?

When you're trying to save lives and the economy, you do what needs to be done and play things by ear if necessary.
I hear. I think liberty has a price and covid has posed the question of whether it's worth it in the most brutal way yet.
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪

Offline Kobe Bryant

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2017
  • Posts: 3049
  • Total likes: 1808
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2135 on: April 06, 2021, 12:37:49 AM »
JPOST:Pfizer has halted shipments of its COVID-19 vaccine to Israel in retaliation to Israel failing to transfer payment for the last 2.5 million doses it supplied to the country.

Pfizer officials say they are concerned that the government-in-transition will not pay up and the company does not want to be taken advantage of. Adding they couldn’t comprehend how such a situation can occur in an organized country.


Offline m65

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jul 2012
  • Posts: 1364
  • Total likes: 324
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: israel
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2136 on: April 06, 2021, 03:28:46 AM »
Adding they couldn’t comprehend how such a situation can occur in an organized country.
ouch
welcome to israel

Offline AsherO

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 20K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 26070
  • Total likes: 3227
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 75
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2137 on: April 06, 2021, 09:33:04 AM »
JPOST:Pfizer has halted shipments of its COVID-19 vaccine to Israel in retaliation to Israel failing to transfer payment for the last 2.5 million doses it supplied to the country.

Pfizer officials say they are concerned that the government-in-transition will not pay up and the company does not want to be taken advantage of. Adding they couldn’t comprehend how such a situation can occur in an organized country.



@PlatinumGuy is there more to this story? Contractual dispute?

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14034
  • Total likes: 1974
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2138 on: April 06, 2021, 09:41:54 AM »
@PlatinumGuy is there more to this story? Contractual dispute?
Nah just a small delay because the Israeli cabinet is in deadlock and isn’t convening
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline JlmBoi

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2020
  • Posts: 541
  • Total likes: 274
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2139 on: April 06, 2021, 10:07:16 AM »
Nah just a small delay because the Israeli cabinet is in deadlock and isn’t convening
HT Benny Gantz. Real leadership.
The chiddush of DDF is the way Dan Deals with all us crazies 🤪