The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[ExGingi]

If we were going based off Israel's policy, it's antibodies, positive PCR and negative PCR.

Once we're making up new tests to use, I think my suggestion is more backed by medical science, which has never determined antibodies as a reliable predictor of future immunity. And in fact, we know that people who tested positive for antibodies months ago are getting it. We don't yet know of that means if they would have been tested for antibodies a week before they got sick whether they would have shown as positive or negative. There's just not enough data.

Israel's concern is if someone has the virus when they enter. Whether they had antibodies in April is wholly irrelevant. My comment was also predicated on the fact that if someone contracted the virus in the airport or on the plane, a test on arrival wouldn't catch it, as the minimum incubation period is believed to be 48 hours.

I don't see what bringing test results from months ago is supposed to be showing.

Here you are going on assumptions. No-one is talking about an antibody test from April (I don't think there were such tests back then) or even from June (when I got tested). Everything is predicated on a CURRENT test.

If someone doesn't have a positive PCR test, what would be a more reliable indicator of PUBLIC SAFETY, a rapid test upon arrival followed by a PCR test a couple of days later, both coming up negative, or a positive antibody test (and possibly a PCR test) shortly prior to arrival, followed by a negative PCR test upon arrival? Please tell us based on your own logic, and/or based on any medical research, documentation, or report.

[ExGingi]

O don't believe a lab would release any info about a patient, even if just asked if the patient was there.
But a kashe oif a mayseh.

1. You might be right.
2. The weakest link is the human link, depending on who responded, things could get through.
3. If a Health Ministry of a Sovereign Government is saying we suspect forgery and would just like to know if the document presented to us is authentic or not, I think that might pass even with privacy laws being followed.

[Eb228]

Here you are going on assumptions. No-one is talking about an antibody test from April (I don't think there were such tests back then) or even from June (when I got tested).

I tested for antibodies in April, Bikur cholim's first drive was in April

[ExGingi]

I tested for antibodies in April, Bikur cholim's first drive was in April

I also went to get tested by Mt. Sinai in Williamsburg and never heard back from them. I was told that there could be a multitude of reasons, they never told me that I was negative for antibodies, but they never called me to give plasma. Two months later I tested positive for antibodies.

[darth]

If one has a positive test followed by a negative test at a later date from Hadassah Ein Kerem do they need to quarantine upon there return to Israel if they leave? I'm pretty certain the policy until now is that they did not have to but have policies changed during this lockdown?

[ExGingi]

If one has a positive test followed by a negative test at a later date from Hadassah Ein Kerem do they need to quarantine upon there return to Israel if they leave? I'm pretty certain the policy until now is that they did not have to but have policies changed during this lockdown?

AFAIK any Kupat Cholim Dr. can release from quarantine based on that, but one would need a Kupat Cholim Dr. to sign off on the release.

[PlatinumGuy]

Thanks. Next time when quoting Israeli media that are notoriously bad at fact based reporting, I should paste the whole quote...

Let me see if I understand - Foreigners can so whatever they want (provided they get an entry permit to begin with and quarantine for 14 days on arrival), but citizens can't leave unless they already purchased a ticket or get an exception?

The government decision last night can still be modified today by a Kenneset committee. However, prima facie the rules prohibit one from leaving a 1km radius from their home, and going to the airport to fly is included in that ban. Presumably somebody who doesn’t have a permanent abode in Israel can leave freely.


An early draft of the same government restrictions had an explicit exemption for foreign passport holders which has since been removed.

The government decision dictates that there should be new forms at the airport by tomorrow with a checklist of permitted reasons to have left home and come to the airport. False declarations on the forms will be considered a felony.

Here is a live link to the Kenneset committee that is currently deliberating other elements of the new gov't restrictions (insurance brokers)
https://main.knesset.gov.il/News/Broadcast/pages/default.aspx?pos=tv

[shulemw]

Israel does not count nothing on antibodies.

The way you leave quarantine is by having a positive and negative test from abroad. Then you make another test in israel and once thats negative you send all 3 tests to the Ministry Of Health and they send you a document stating you don't need to be in quarantine anymore

This doc will help you even when you come back again

[ExGingi]

Israel does not count nothing on antibodies.

The way you leave quarantine is by having a positive and negative test from abroad. Then you make another test in israel and once thats negative you send all 3 tests to the Ministry Of Health and they send you a document stating you don't need to be in quarantine anymore

This doc will help you even when you come back again

That is indeed the official policy, however, with the right connections, there are exceptions.

[Ergel]

Starting to look like NY in March R"L

[ari3]

Starting to look like NY in March R"L

Is R' Kalminovitz covid related? It doesn't say that anywhere.

[S209]

Is R' Kalminovitz covid related? It doesn't say that anywhere.

Says it in the article. Also, double pneumonia and lung infection in an area with an out of control outbreak would lead one to suspect COVID-19.

Irony: The Gadol on the left has been of the fiercest corona-truthers in the frum world, mandating masks in his Kehillah early on and warning harshly of the potential ramifications of infecting others. The Gadol on the right has been of the fiercest corona-deniers, encouraging packing batei midrashim and shuls “Berov Am” and openly denying there being any connection between precautions and lack of infection.

[ExGingi]

Says it in the article. Also, double pneumonia and lung infection in an area with an out of control outbreak would lead one to suspect COVID-19.

Irony: The Gadol on the left has been of the fiercest corona-truthers in the frum world, mandating masks in his Kehillah early on and warning harshly of the potential ramifications of infecting others. The Gadol on the right has been of the fiercest corona-deniers, encouraging packing batei midrashim and shuls “Berov Am” and openly denying there being any connection between precautions and lack of infection.

What can we infer from said irony?

[S209]

What can we infer from said irony?

That Rabbi Kalmanowitz was right?

[etech0]

What can we infer from said irony?

Ein Od Milvado

[yelped]

What can we infer from said irony?

That all Jews are responsible for one another, and if one is not careful, then even the one who is careful could get sick.

[ExGingi]

https://hm-news.co.il/90744/

[Ergel]

I'm fed up with the stupid overexaggerations around Covid predictions. I knew on Sunday when Netanyahu said to prepare for 1500 ICU patients by the end of the week that it was baloney. We get it, it's serious. What do you gain by making stuff up? 850 is bad, why make up 1500?

[Mikes@Micro]

I'm fed up with the stupid overexaggerations around Covid predictions. I knew on Sunday when Netanyahu said to prepare for 1500 ICU patients by the end of the week that it was baloney. We get it, it's serious. What do you gain by making stuff up? 850 is bad, why make up 1500?

If only you knew what else he made it up.....

[yuneeq]

I'm fed up with the stupid overexaggerations around Covid predictions. I knew on Sunday when Netanyahu said to prepare for 1500 ICU patients by the end of the week that it was baloney. We get it, it's serious. What do you gain by making stuff up? 850 is bad, why make up 1500?

Just curious - was it a prediction, or was it a model if everything stated the same (and then things changed).