The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[aygart]

The prevailing frum attitude is similar in Brooklyn, Lakewood, and Bnei Brak, yes.

I can't speak one way or the other about that, but have never seen a comment from @ExGingi saying it about Israel.

[PlatinumGuy]

I can't speak one way or the other about that, but have never seen a comment from @ExGingi saying it about Israel.

True, but the 'community' isn't necessarily defined by geographic location, just like a family is still related when they live far away. The excuses in Crown Heights & Bnei Brak are all the same - masks don't really work, herd immunity, gatherings have been proven not to be harmful, protests (BLM/Black flags), kids aren't contagious, closing shul is unfathomable, etc etc.

[aygart]

True, but the 'community' isn't necessarily defined by geographic location, just like a family is still related when they live far away. The excuses in Crown Heights & Bnei Brak are all the same - masks don't really work, herd immunity, gatherings have been proven not to be harmful, protests (BLM/Black flags), kids aren't contagious, closing shul is unfathomable, etc etc.

I can imagine, but it is not something he said.

[TimT]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1932981/israels-chevros-kadisha-well-stop-taharos-for-covid-victims-in-2-days.html

[PlatinumGuy]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1932981/israels-chevros-kadisha-well-stop-taharos-for-covid-victims-in-2-days.html

Unfortunately Chevra Kadisha in Israel is dirty business.

[TimT]

Why would zaka get the ok but not them ?

[ExGingi]

Unfortunately Chevra Kadisha in Israel is dirty business.

FTFY

[PlatinumGuy]

Why would zaka get the ok but not them ?

Maybe they should get the OK too, but they shouldn't hold the niftarim hostage. The idea is Israel put emergency responders on the priority list but neglected to include CK.

[Euclid]

Is Asra Kadisha going to make hafganos?

[PlatinumGuy]

Is Asra Kadisha going to make hafganos?

Lol

[ExGingi]

https://www.themarker.com/amp/coronavirus/1.9407052

@PlatinumGuy could you please enlighten us as to which frum community this cheder is a part of?

[PlatinumGuy]

https://www.themarker.com/amp/coronavirus/1.9407052

@PlatinumGuy could you please enlighten us as to which frum community this cheder is a part of?

And you accuse me of putting words in people’s mouthes. This is a non Charedi school that is open legally. The Charedi schools were open also when it was illegal.

[ExGingi]

And you accuse me of putting words in people’s mouthes. This is a non Charedi school that is open legally. The Charedi schools were open also when it was illegal.

A. Why are you getting defensive?
B. Help me understand, going back to the בושה claim, is this about legality or about pikuach nefesh?
C. I didn't accuse you, I stated what to the best of my knowledge, recollection, and understanding is fact. @aygart seems to concur.


And before you answer any of those, let me suggest that we cut this here and now, and try to find only positive things to say about fellow Jews.

[PlatinumGuy]

A. Why are you getting defensive?
B. Help me understand, going back to the בושה claim, is this about legality or about pikuach nefesh?
C. I didn't accuse you, I stated what to the best of my knowledge, recollection, and understanding is fact. @aygart seems to concur.


And before you answer any of those, let me suggest that we cut this here and now, and try to find only positive things to say about fellow Jews.

I wasn’t defensive. You posted a snarky attack on my opinion, And I refuted it.

Yes, non-Religious people also dies from Covid and also spread it in schools. The article you posted actually demonstrated they contained the outbreak fairly fast, having tested all contacts quickly and successfully identifying other carriers so that they can be isolated. The point is incidents like this happened 4x more often in the frum community. Posting 1 incident in the non frum world proves absolutely nothing.

Now that you can’t support your stated positions in the face of evidence, you resort to saying it’s better not to discuss it. Half the Torah details incidents where Jews acted wrongly and condemning the bad is just as important as celebrating the good, if not more so. If you don’t like the conversation, don’t participate in it.

If you want to really defend the frum community, perhaps you should argue that learning of תשב׳ר, yeshivos, and minyanim are more important than the lives lost. I can’t argue with that, although I would love to know who set the bar. One thing is clear though, contrary to the original claims, they aren’t more protective for the masses than basic health hishtadlus

[ExGingi]

Now that you can’t support your stated positions in the face of evidence,

Those being?

(actual quotes to support what you claim to be my stated positions would be appreciated).

[PlatinumGuy]

Those being?

That masks aren’t needed & that you see with your own eyes that gatherings aren’t dangerous

[ExGingi]

That masks aren’t needed & that you see with your own eyes that gatherings aren’t dangerous

See my edit above.

(I could respond, but would rather wait for you to bring some actual quotes from which you concluded those to be my stated positions).

[PlatinumGuy]

See my edit above.

(I could respond, but would rather wait for you to bring some actual quotes from which you concluded those to be my stated positions).

I’m not motivated enough to look for them, sorry. Did you go to shul today indoors? Did you wear a mask there? Did your kids go to school? Did they wear a mask there?

[ExGingi]

I’m not motivated enough to look for them, sorry. Did you go to shul today indoors? Did you wear a mask there? Did your kids go to school? Did they wear a mask there?

If you can't bring the quotes, PUOSU. Your questions are irrelevant, as they are about facts, not positions. Your choosing to extrapolate positions out of statements or facts, doesn't make those my positions (nor statements, to the extent you extrapolate those, as pointed out by @aygart).

Definitely davened indoors without a mask, and my kids BH went to school (they might have needed masks upon entry, I'm not sure, but didn't wear a mask during the day). We all recovered from COVID-19 in March, as did an overwhelming majority of people in my community.

[PlatinumGuy]

Definitely davened indoors without a mask, and my kids BH went to school (they might have needed masks upon entry, I'm not sure, but didn't wear a mask during the day). We all recovered from COVID-19 in March, as did an overwhelming majority of people in my community.

There you go. Do you not see it? Your community members in Israel also believe a majority of them recovered from Covid and therefore protective measures aren’t necessary, and the bodies are piling up R”L.