The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[AsherO]

I hear, I don’t know. It would be speculation data obviously. We’ll soon know

There’ll also be an in-between point where there are people who didn’t show up to vaccinate but also aren’t adamantly against vaccinating themselves.

[Moshe123]

The over 90 are many of the people that are homebound. They want to use the Moderna vaccines to reach them at home.

[skyguy918]

@ExGingi This is nearly 40 minutes long. TLDR?

[ExGingi]

@ExGingi This is nearly 40 minutes long. TLDR?

Speed it up.

[skyguy918]

Speed it up.

Even 20 min is a lot, and my comprehension would be much lower sped up.

[ExGingi]

Even 20 min is a lot, and my comprehension would be much lower sped up.

I didn't watch the entire thing, but basically they are interviewing top medical and epidemiological experts who are saying that the lockdown is unnecessary. They suggest that a targeted approach should be used rather than a sweeping shut-down of the economy.

[biobook]

I didn't watch the entire thing, but basically they are interviewing top medical and epidemiological experts who are saying that the lockdown is unnecessary. They suggest that a targeted approach should be used rather than a sweeping shut-down of the economy.

The first half they're interviewing Israeli doctors and epidemiologists, who say that lockdown is unnecessary.  Then they mention that Sweden is the only country who's done it right, avoiding lockdowns and deaths.  Then they go to some English speaking experts who publicized a document opposing lockdowns (Great Barrington Declaration). 

One of the interviews mentions that "today" is Nov 30, and IIRC it was a few weeks later, in December, that the consensus in Sweden was that their policy had been a failure. 

The documentary is well-done, just one-sided and missing the second half, in which they would have interviewed the experts who disagree with these.  Some of those arguments have been made on DDF and in articles like these:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/health/coronavirus-great-barrington.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/opinion/coronavirus-herd-immunity.html

[PlatinumGuy]

The first half they're interviewing Israeli doctors and epidemiologists, who say that lockdown is unnecessary.  Then they mention that Sweden is the only country who's done it right, avoiding lockdowns and deaths.  Then they go to some English speaking experts who publicized a document opposing lockdowns (Great Barrington Declaration). 

One of the interviews mentions that "today" is Nov 30, and IIRC it was a few weeks later, in December, that the consensus in Sweden was that their policy had been a failure. 

The documentary is well-done, just one-sided and missing the second half, in which they would have interviewed the experts who disagree with these.  Some of those arguments have been made on DDF and in articles like these:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/health/coronavirus-great-barrington.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/opinion/coronavirus-herd-immunity.html

Sweden has since passed lockdown laws

[Proisrael]

Still so frustrating for me. I need to fly to the states but without a vaccine I cant go. Maccabi has been absolutely strict regarding vaccinating younger people. Those numbers below 60 are made up of solely those under Clalit Mehuchedet and Leumet. Such regrets now that I am with Macabbi for this period of time.

[PlatinumGuy]

Just switch to Meuchedet and then back if you want... I don’t think you can travel before the second dose though, although it should be fairly easy to circumvent the rules

[tavster]

Still so frustrating for me. I need to fly to the states but without a vaccine I cant go. Maccabi has been absolutely strict regarding vaccinating younger people. Those numbers below 60 are made up of solely those under Clalit Mehuchedet and Leumet. Such regrets now that I am with Macabbi for this period of time.

I know first hand more than 50 people who just tried their luck and were successful, regardless of their kupat holim. Join the dedicated facebook group, it has good data.

[ExGingi]

Still so frustrating for me. I need to fly to the states but without a vaccine I cant go.

Who says you can't go without a vaccine? I know many who came here without one.

[Danlover111]

Who says you can't go without a vaccine? I know many who came here without one.

I'm guessing he never had it, and would like to avoid Quarantine when he returns.

[Proisrael]

Who says you can't go without a vaccine? I know many who came here without one.

I could fly I just cant do Quarantine.

I know first hand more than 50 people who just tried their luck and were successful, regardless of their kupat holim. Join the dedicated facebook group, it has good data.

None are Macabbi. I am on a few groups. The only hope is with Mada but so far they run out before people post.

[yfr bachur]

That might depend on the percentage opting out without a mandate, which is why I’m wondering if it’s known what that number is. If it’s small enough and they vaccinate everyone else then it might be negligible.

From what I see here, the Corona denialists are also anti-Vaxists...(at least this vax)

[S209]

From what I see here, the Corona denialists are also anti-Vaxists...(at least this vax)

Which makes perfect sense because if there is no threat there is no reason to get vaccinated

[Moshe123]

Moderna informed an Israeli shipping firm that it can expect a shipment of up to 480,000 doses of its own COVID-19 vaccine on Wednesday or Thursday

[Ergel]

https://www.mako.co.il/news-lifestyle/2021_q1/Article-3d7e80869d0f671026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802

[AsherO]

I hear, I don’t know. It would be speculation data obviously. We’ll soon know

On that note, once supply will begin to outpace demand (won't happen in all endpoints/vaccination centers/regions at the same time), what is Israel's plan to mitigate vaccine expiration/waste? This is especially an issue considering there are two vaccines and second dose has to be the same vaccine as the first. Logistical hurdles that have to be planned/optimized for.

[Euclid]

On that note, once supply will begin to outpace demand (won't happen in all endpoints/vaccination centers/regions at the same time), what is Israel's plan to mitigate vaccine expiration/waste? This is especially an issue considering there are two vaccines and second dose has to be the same vaccine as the first. Logistical hurdles that have to be planned/optimized for.

What a wonderful problem to have