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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #680 on: December 28, 2020, 06:08:11 AM »
Another 99k vaccinated yesterday.

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #681 on: December 28, 2020, 07:50:01 AM »
No appointment. Walked in and was in and out in 2 minutes
Walked by a vaccination center in tlv today.

Place was packed. Heavy security inside and outside. Actually very well organized but was full of older people who had prebooked appointments so I wasn't going to try my luck.

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #682 on: December 28, 2020, 08:36:17 AM »
That wasn't a lie. He said we should basically lock down for a couple of weeks to mitigate the spread. There was no way for them to know in advance how long it would take or how widespread infection would be, and indeed many restrictions were rolled back at a federal level after several weeks. Dr. Birx didn't say it, considering she wasn't part of the task force at that stage.
That's not what happened. Fauci said he didn't recommend masks for the public at the time because he didn't believe infection was widespread enough to warrant public mask-wearing and where it was certainly needed was for health care workers. Later, the equation changed as the extent of infection grew and mask production caught up. He also recommended cloth masks and the like which are less proven and less efficacious because the extent of infection warranted at least that.
This recent admission of his does look quite icky, although anyone who has been following should have realized by now that the number for herd immunity is probably at the 90%+ number, not the 60%-70% being trumpeted around for the last few months. I've posted here extensively on this. It's likely that with time he has come to the same realization as well although I'll grant you that it was quite distasteful of him to make those comments.
Re masks this is revisionist history and he has started otherwise.
I called this or at the time.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #683 on: December 28, 2020, 09:35:10 AM »
Re masks this is revisionist history and he has started otherwise.
I called this or at the time.
Source? Here is the transcript of a March 8 interview he gave.



He was very clearly making the point that masks shouldn’t be worn because they don’t provide perfect protection, which later switched to use as source control as scope of infection grew.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #684 on: December 28, 2020, 09:47:42 AM »
Source? Here is the transcript of a March 8 interview he gave.



He was very clearly making the point that masks shouldn’t be worn because they don’t provide perfect protection, which later switched to use as source control as scope of infection grew.
https://www.thestreet.com/video/dr-fauci-masks-changing-directive-coronavirus
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #685 on: December 28, 2020, 12:31:13 PM »
Israeli cancer patient with current cardiac disease and history of several heart attacks dies shortly after receiving COVID-19 vaccine.

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הודעת משרד הבריאות:
אדם כבן 75 מצפון הארץ, הסובל  ממחלת לב פעילה ומחלה ממארת, ואשר עבר מספר התקפי לב בעברו, חוסן הבוקר כנגד נגיף קורונה ונפטר בביתו זמן קצר לאחר החיסון. מנכ"ל משרד הבריאות פרופ' חזי לוי , מינה ועדת בדיקה למקרה בראשות ראש  אגף בטיחות ואיכות במשרד הבריאות .
אנו משתתפים בצער המשפחה .
בבדיקה ראשונית לא נראה קשר בין הארוע המצער לחיסון ומבצע החיסונים ממשיך להתנהל.

Source: Israeli MOH Covid-19 Telegram Channel.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #686 on: December 28, 2020, 01:47:27 PM »
Health Ministry: once ppl receive the 2 pfizer shots + wait one week: no quarantine on the way back

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/834355

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #687 on: December 28, 2020, 02:20:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/tamarishshalom/status/1343592442092793871?s=08

There have been a few instances where the Israeli media called on the general population to use vaccines that were close to expiration date without any prioritization criteria.

It appears Israel received thus far 3.2m Pfizer vaccines, and so will have to stop at the 1.6m mark unless they obtain more by then.

https://twitter.com/bahazit_health/status/1343576176258908160?s=21

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #688 on: December 28, 2020, 03:35:47 PM »
https://twitter.com/tamarishshalom/status/1343592442092793871?s=08

There have been a few instances where the Israeli media called on the general population to use vaccines that were close to expiration date without any prioritization criteria.

It appears Israel received thus far 3.2m Pfizer vaccines, and so will have to stop at the 1.6m mark unless they obtain more by then.

https://twitter.com/bahazit_health/status/1343576176258908160?s=21

Are they expiring them 5 days after they leave the deep freeze, or less?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #689 on: December 28, 2020, 03:56:46 PM »
Health Ministry: once ppl receive the 2 pfizer shots + wait one week: no quarantine on the way back

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/834355
Is this legit? Anything in writing?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #690 on: December 28, 2020, 03:58:42 PM »
Is this legit? Anything in writing?
It's a legit interview by Israel Hayom of the Health Ministry.
Doesn't mean that it will be applied, but that's the ministry's position

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #691 on: December 28, 2020, 06:23:18 PM »
Are they expiring them 5 days after they leave the deep freeze, or less?
Im not sure
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #692 on: December 28, 2020, 08:17:34 PM »
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #693 on: December 28, 2020, 08:18:30 PM »
Where have you seen an early statement of his on masks where he lied?
He said straight out that they misled to preserve supply
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #694 on: December 28, 2020, 08:28:14 PM »
He said straight out that they misled to preserve supply
He did not say they misled. He said part of the rationale for the early stance was because of the reason stated above, preserving supply for HC workers. Can you point to a specific statement where he actually lied?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #695 on: December 28, 2020, 08:39:43 PM »
The lockdown rules there are silly: my brother says you can’t be 1000 meters or more from your apt.
But you can exercise as far away from ur apt as you want
So my brother walks every day. To yeshiva.
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #696 on: December 28, 2020, 08:44:17 PM »
He did not say they misled. He said part of the rationale for the early stance was because of the reason stated above, preserving supply for HC workers. Can you point to a specific statement where he actually lied?
When they said masks aren't helpful. This has been discussed hundreds of times when they were saying this and I am not sure why you are blinding yourself.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #697 on: December 28, 2020, 11:05:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1342792733400952834

Click on tweet to read thread in twitter or click on link below for entire thread.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1342792733400952834.html
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #698 on: December 28, 2020, 11:17:56 PM »
Israel is over 5% already (about 30% of at-risk population).
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #699 on: December 28, 2020, 11:28:59 PM »
When they said masks aren't helpful. This has been discussed hundreds of times when they were saying this and I am not sure why you are blinding yourself.
I posted the transcript of the interview he gave in March that has been widely (mis)quoted above- he did not say masks aren’t helpful. If he did, please post a link.

What am I blinding myself to? It’s simply incorrect to say that was a lie.
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