The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[tavster]

BH Shot number 1 is done.

Mild swelling at the site, very slight numbness in my face.

Beshaa tova!
Better 5G coverage?

[how]

BH Shot number 1 is done.

Mild swelling at the site, very slight numbness in my face.

that is considered a adverse side affect. Check in with your provider

[Moshe123]

Another 550k doses of Pfizer vaccine landed this morning in Israel.

Still wondering what's doing with Moderna vaccines.
Israel publicized the Pfizer agreement and it has an explicit non-exclusivity clause.

Expecting today to be a heavy vaccinations day. They opened up younger ages, and close to 40k vaccines were given by 9 am.

[AsherO]

Another 550k doses of Pfizer vaccine landed this morning in Israel.

Still wondering what's doing with Moderna vaccines.
Israel publicized the Pfizer agreement and it has an explicit non-exclusivity clause.

Expecting today to be a heavy vaccinations day. They opened up younger ages, and close to 40k vaccines were given by 9 am.

Younger ages means anyone 16+ can make an appointment to get vaccinated?

[tavster]

Younger ages means anyone 16+ can make an appointment to get vaccinated?

This week it's down to 40+

Here's the agreement with Pfizer. Sadly the good parts have been redacted
https://govextra.gov.il/media/30806/11221-moh-pfizer-collaboration-agreement-redacted.pdf

[Danlover111]

Younger ages means anyone 16+ can make an appointment to get vaccinated?

I believe 45 and up now.
But you can always stop by and try your luck..

[Yoel]

Does anyone know anyone who flew from hul and got vaccinated when he / she was supposed to be in bidud?

I tried and they told me I'm supposed to be in bidud . They can see on the computer

[tavster]

I tried and they told me I'm supposed to be in bidud . They can see on the computer

Thanks for the feedback.

[ExGingi]

Is Huldai right or wrong in deciding to unilaterally open cultural venues to anyone who is 10 days post 2 vaccine shots?

What should the Charedi reaction be?

[AsherO]

Is Huldai right or wrong in deciding to unilaterally open cultural venues to anyone who is 10 days post 2 vaccine shots?

What should the Charedi reaction be?

Charedim should follow the science and prevailing medical consensus from the experts and not mix religion and health concerns with eachother. Once those lines are blurred it can backfire.

[Happyguy]

Is Huldai right or wrong in deciding to unilaterally open cultural venues to anyone who is 10 days post 2 vaccine shots?

What should the Charedi reaction be?

Don't get what you mean by Charedi reaction. That all cultural places should be kept closed because of the intrinsic problems with the cultural venues themselves?

[tavster]

Is Huldai right or wrong in deciding to unilaterally open cultural venues to anyone who is 10 days post 2 vaccine shots?

He didn't come up with the idea.. it's been discussed for weeks by the government. The main reason why it hasn't been rolled out, AFAIK, is because of concerns there will be fake green passports and because the legality of such measures is questionable.

2 weeks ago Huldai decided to vaccinate all the TLV teachers, against the MoH policy, and the next day the MoH shut down the main TLV vaccination center (which remained closed until Thursday).

The government is expected to unveil the final details of the green passport this week. IMHO if Huldai go against the set policies, the gvt won't hesitate to shut venues down

[ExGingi]

Charedim should follow the science and prevailing medical consensus from the experts and not mix religion and health concerns with eachother. Once those lines are blurred it can backfire.

What does your response have to do with the question?

Is there any prevailing medical consensus that says that 10 days after the second dose of vaccine people should still be restricted from attending crowded indoor venues where only people who fit that criteria are allowed? (and if such consensus exists, what's the point of the vaccine, other than one of the largest human medical trials in history?)

Huldai is saying he will open the venues to those who are 10 days post 2nd shot of vaccine. Gov't is saying no. Is that a medical decision? Is it political? Should the Charedi politicians condemn Huldai, or should they back him to say if it is medically safe, he should be allowed to open the cultural venues (as long as it's not on Shabbos) and all shuls and Yeshivos should be be opened under the same conditions?

p.s. When I (reluctantly) use the term "Charedim" I refer to the so-called Charedi politicians. I resent labeling individuals using meaningless terms.

[AsherO]

What does your response have to do with the question?

Is there any prevailing medical consensus that says that 10 days after the second dose of vaccine people should still be restricted from attending crowded indoor venues where only people who fit that criteria are allowed? (and if such consensus exists, what's the point of the vaccine, other than one of the largest human medical trials in history?)

Huldai is saying he will open the venues to those who are 10 days post 2nd shot of vaccine. Gov't is saying no. Is that a medical decision? Is it political? Should the Charedi politicians condemn Huldai, or should they back him to say if it is medically safe, he should be allowed to open the cultural venues (as long as it's not on Shabbos) and all shuls and Yeshivos should be be opened under the same conditions?

p.s. When I (reluctantly) use the term "Charedim" I refer to the so-called Charedi politicians. I resent labeling individuals using meaningless terms.

I don’t know the answers to your questions about what such consensus is. But if I had my say in what any politician should do regardless of affiliation, it would be to follow prevailing medical consensus.

And for the record, based on the contract between Pfizer and the Israeli MoH, the accelerated vaccine deliveries to Israel are in exchange for data to determine real-world effectiveness of the vaccine. Call that a trial if you’d like. And don’t blame me for stating it, I’m just the messenger.

[Mikes@Micro]

And for the record, based on the contract between Pfizer and the Israeli MoH, the accelerated vaccine deliveries to Israel are in exchange for data to determine real-world effectiveness of the vaccine. Call that a trial if you’d like. And don’t blame me for stating it, I’m just the messenger.

Soo if I understand correctly, you are saying that the vaccine is not yet proven to be safe and effective in the real world as stated on Pashkevilin posted around Jerusalem.

Charedim should follow the science and prevailing medical consensus from the experts and not mix religion and health concerns with eachother. Once those lines are blurred it can backfire.

Therefore, we would follow Medical Science, which is not entirely certain about the vaccine and not listen to Political Science which makes those not participating in the trial run feel left out when they are not issued a gimmicky, legally flimsy Green Passport?

[Mikes@Micro]

This week it's down to 40+

Here's the agreement with Pfizer. Sadly the good parts have been redacted
https://govextra.gov.il/media/30806/11221-moh-pfizer-collaboration-agreement-redacted.pdf

Entire Liability section redacted? *insert big bright red flag here*

[tavster]

Entire Liability section redacted? *insert big bright red flag here*

+1.
Also why is the date redacted??

[Mikes@Micro]

+1.
Also why is the date redacted??

Waiting for an answer from @AsherO

The date was prob long before we thought a Vaccine was possible?

[ExGingi]

I don’t know the answers to your questions about what such consensus is. But if I had my say in what any politician should do regardless of affiliation, it would be to follow prevailing medical consensus.

And for the record, based on the contract between Pfizer and the Israeli MoH, the accelerated vaccine deliveries to Israel are in exchange for data to determine real-world effectiveness of the vaccine. Call that a trial if you’d like. And don’t blame me for stating it, I’m just the messenger.

You might have just as well answered "today is Sunday". Or "people should be nice to each other". Those are all fine, dandy, and correct, but have nothing to do with the questions I posed. (and I didn't really ask a complex question like "when is next Wednesday?")

[aygart]

I don’t know the answers to your questions about what such consensus is. But if I had my say in what any politician should do regardless of affiliation, it would be to follow prevailing medical consensus.

And for the record, based on the contract between Pfizer and the Israeli MoH, the accelerated vaccine deliveries to Israel are in exchange for data to determine real-world effectiveness of the vaccine. Call that a trial if you’d like. And don’t blame me for stating it, I’m just the messenger.

Aren't you a lawyer? You should be able to read the agreement better than this. All of the data is at population level and nothing about effectiveness in individuals.

2. THE PROJECT
2.1 Objective of the Project.
To measure and analyze epidemiological data arising from the Product rollout, to detetmine
whether herd immunity is achieved after reaching a cett ain percentage of vaccination coverage in Israel.

Exhibit A
MoH and PFIZER will collaborate on analyses of the data points listed in this Exhibit A. MoH will
provide PFIZER with the data specified in Exhibit B.
Endpoints (beginning and ending dates to be mutually agreed by the Parties)
• Confirmed COVID-19 cases/week
• Confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations/week
• Confirmed COVID-19 severe/ critical cases /week
• Confirmed COVID-19 ventilator use/week
• Confirmed COVID-19 deaths/week
• Symptomatic cases/week
• Weekly numbers of vaccinees, as total and by age and other demographic subgroups.
• Number of cases per week by age groups, and other demographic factors.
• Additional subgroup analyses and vaccine effectiveness analyses, as agreed by the Parties