The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[AsherO]

‏מכבי: פחות מ0.01% ממקבלי מנת החיסון השנייה חלו בקורונה. 20 אנשים בלבד נדבקו בקורונה מקרב כ128,600 מחוסנים אשר חלף למעלה משבוע מאז קיבלו את מנת החיסון השנייה. ב'מכבי' אומרים כי מדובר בנתונים ראשוניים אך מעודדים מאוד.

‏פרטים נוספים: מרביתם של הנדבקים הם מעל גיל 55, מחציתם סובלים ממחלות כרוניות ומחציתם ללא כל מחלות רקע, וחווים מחלה קלה עם תסמינים של כאבי ראש, שיעול, חולשה או עייפות. אף אחד מהם לא אושפז בבית חולים ולא סבל מחום מעל 38.5 מעלות. רוב החולים נבדקו בשל חשיפה לחולה מאומת.

Wow! This is a major development.

Indeed, nice numbers.

[AsherO]

http://www.preoccupiedterritory.com/we-palestinians-are-the-original-ancient-holders-of-the-covid-vaccine-you-zionist-thieves/

Why/how does Patreon allow donations to Hamas?

[biobook]

‏מכבי: פחות מ0.01% ממקבלי מנת החיסון השנייה חלו בקורונה. 20 אנשים בלבד נדבקו בקורונה מקרב כ128,600 מחוסנים אשר חלף למעלה משבוע מאז קיבלו את מנת החיסון השנייה. ב'מכבי' אומרים כי מדובר בנתונים ראשוניים אך מעודדים מאוד.

‏פרטים נוספים: מרביתם של הנדבקים הם מעל גיל 55, מחציתם סובלים ממחלות כרוניות ומחציתם ללא כל מחלות רקע, וחווים מחלה קלה עם תסמינים של כאבי ראש, שיעול, חולשה או עייפות. אף אחד מהם לא אושפז בבית חולים ולא סבל מחום מעל 38.5 מעלות. רוב החולים נבדקו בשל חשיפה לחולה מאומת.

Wow! This is a major development.

@Moshe123 Isn't this just very similar to the Pfizer's clinicial trial?  IIRC, they found something like 1-2 cases/week after the second injection, in a group of about 20,000.  So in a group of 128,000, that should translate into 6-12 cases/week, which is the same order of magnitude as the 20 reported here.  The clinical trial also found that covid after vaccination was generally mild, and severe cases were almost all in the non-vaccinated group.
I agree that "it's nice numbers", but is it a major development?

[aygart]

@Moshe123 Isn't this just very similar to the Pfizer's clinicial trial?  IIRC, they found something like 1-2 cases/week after the second injection, in a group of about 20,000.  So in a group of 128,000, that should translate into 6-12 cases/week, which is the same order of magnitude as the 20 reported here.  The clinical trial also found that covid after vaccination was generally mild, and severe cases were almost all in the non-vaccinated group.
I agree that "it's nice numbers", but is it a major development?

IINM one is efficacy and one is effectiveness.

[skyguy918]

Why/how does Patreon allow donations to Hamas?

Careful, you're gonna end up here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AteTheOnion/

[AsherO]

Careful, you're gonna end up here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AteTheOnion/

Wait, it's a parody? Because when I read it that's what I was convinced. I guess I did eat the onion if I concluded the Hamas are crazy enough to publish drivel like that.

[Moshe123]

@Moshe123 Isn't this just very similar to the Pfizer's clinicial trial?  IIRC, they found something like 1-2 cases/week after the second injection, in a group of about 20,000.  So in a group of 128,000, that should translate into 6-12 cases/week, which is the same order of magnitude as the 20 reported here.  The clinical trial also found that covid after vaccination was generally mild, and severe cases were almost all in the non-vaccinated group.
I agree that "it's nice numbers", but is it a major development?

That's exactly the point. To see the real world follow-up matching the pfizer trial. It wasn't a given and some recent reports had muddled the water.

[biobook]

IINM one is efficacy and one is effectiveness.

Do they really distinguish between these after just a week?  Not familiar with this, and too lazy to look it up.

Maybe I misunderstood the press release.  Were they saying that 20 people developed symptoms of corona?  Or did they give all 128,000 a corona test, and found that only 20 were infected?  That is, can they say that there were no asymptomatic infections?  If so, that would be a major development, since Pfizer didn't study that. 

[PlatinumGuy]

Positive percentage in Israel went up to 9.3% yesterday, but they're doing fewer tests recently.

Need a doctors referral to get tested now which wasn't needed in the past, so the cohort is much more likely to be infected.

[skyguy918]

Wait, it's a parody? Because when I read it that's what I was convinced. I guess I did eat the onion if I concluded the Hamas are crazy enough to publish drivel like that.

In the header it says "Semper Ubi Sub Ubi". I"ll leave you to google that. And if you click through to the Patreon, it says:

About PreOccupied Territory
If the world stops focusing on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the planet will spin out of orbit and all life will perish. That is, if you believe Palestinian leaders who fear irrelevance even more than the dreaded Occupation. Help us lampoon the hypocrisy, blindness, ignorance, and straight-up bigotry that characterizes so much of the discourse about the conflict. Also, booger jokes.

[biobook]

That's exactly the point. To see the real world follow-up matching the pfizer trial. It wasn't a given and some recent reports had muddled the water.

Okay!    Just thought maybe I had missed something.

[AsherO]

Were they saying that 20 people developed symptoms of corona?  Or did they give all 128,000 a corona test, and found that only 20 were infected?  Th

They didn't test everyone:

‏מכבי: פחות מ0.01% ממקבלי מנת החיסון השנייה חלו בקורונה. 20 אנשים בלבד נדבקו בקורונה מקרב כ128,600 מחוסנים אשר חלף למעלה משבוע מאז קיבלו את מנת החיסון השנייה. ב'מכבי' אומרים כי מדובר בנתונים ראשוניים אך מעודדים מאוד.

‏פרטים נוספים: מרביתם של הנדבקים הם מעל גיל 55, מחציתם סובלים ממחלות כרוניות ומחציתם ללא כל מחלות רקע, וחווים מחלה קלה עם תסמינים של כאבי ראש, שיעול, חולשה או עייפות. אף אחד מהם לא אושפז בבית חולים ולא סבל מחום מעל 38.5 מעלות. רוב החולים נבדקו בשל חשיפה לחולה מאומת.

Wow! This is a major development.

These are people who were tested for other reasons.

[Moshe123]

They didn't test everyone:

These are people who were tested for other reasons.

And it matches up, because Pfizer also didn't test random people.

[Moshe123]

10.1% positive rate today in Israel so far. Going up again.

119k vaccinated today as of 5pm.

206k were vaccinated yesterday.

At this pace, they will be out of vaccines soon enough. Over 3.8 million doses were given already. At this rate they have enough for another 1.5 weeks...

[AsherO]

At this pace, they will be out of vaccines soon enough. Over 3.8 million doses were given already. At this rate they have enough for another 1.5 weeks...

They keep getting more from Pfizer, with an agreement in place and Pfizer's interest in data, any reason to believe deliveries will stop/slow down?

[Moshe123]

They keep getting more from Pfizer, with an agreement in place and Pfizer's interest in data, any reason to believe deliveries will stop/slow down?

They slowed down already. Only around 1.8 million new doses were delivered in the past month and there was a report that Pfizer also told Israel to expect less doses, for the same reason that they told the EU the same.

[Dan]

‏מכבי: פחות מ0.01% ממקבלי מנת החיסון השנייה חלו בקורונה. 20 אנשים בלבד נדבקו בקורונה מקרב כ128,600 מחוסנים אשר חלף למעלה משבוע מאז קיבלו את מנת החיסון השנייה. ב'מכבי' אומרים כי מדובר בנתונים ראשוניים אך מעודדים מאוד.

‏פרטים נוספים: מרביתם של הנדבקים הם מעל גיל 55, מחציתם סובלים ממחלות כרוניות ומחציתם ללא כל מחלות רקע, וחווים מחלה קלה עם תסמינים של כאבי ראש, שיעול, חולשה או עייפות. אף אחד מהם לא אושפז בבית חולים ולא סבל מחום מעל 38.5 מעלות. רוב החולים נבדקו בשל חשיפה לחולה מאומת.

Wow! This is a major development.

Link?

[AsherO]

Link?

Maybe this, from Google:

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001358429

ETA: also this:

https://twitter.com/yair_kraus/status/1353747753944363008

Full thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1353747753944363008.html

[Ergel]

Need a doctors referral to get tested now which wasn't needed in the past, so the cohort is much more likely to be infected.

News to me, I got a test for my daughter to get out of bidud for tomorrow with no problems

[PlatinumGuy]

News to me, I got a test for my daughter to get out of bidud for tomorrow with no problems

Bidud is an automatic referral, 2 weeks ago anybody could go and get tested