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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1380 on: January 26, 2021, 02:19:41 PM »
They are foreign dorm students who are allowed to remain on campus so long as they don't leave it. The Israeli capsule system allows for shared air so it's quite possible all 67 got infected in one Beit Midrash sitting from shared air.

They may have broken rules, but this can very well happen within the rules. It's also not that much of a problem in the short term provided they maintain the discipline and non of the 100 students goes back into the community. Everybody in there knew all along they have a high chance of getting infected.
Correct. Though I doubt they were keeping the rules 100%. And they are quarantining very seriously - I don't think they will reintroduce to the community - though a few of the rebbeim have also tested positive
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1381 on: January 26, 2021, 02:39:44 PM »
Correct. Though I doubt they were keeping the rules 100%. And they are quarantining very seriously - I don't think they will reintroduce to the community - though a few of the rebbeim have also tested positive
They deserve a medal if they're going to keep the rules now. Nobody is perfect but everybody in the campus accepted the risk of being infected, the most important part is keeping it contained now.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1383 on: January 26, 2021, 03:12:55 PM »
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1385 on: January 26, 2021, 05:08:50 PM »
Once Pfizer feels like Israel reached their threshold for herd immunity, will they cut off vaccine deliveries to Israel? Meaning, what happens once Pfizer gets what they want and Israel gets enough doses to get there in exchange, assuming there’s still demand in Israel from some of the remaining x% of the population who are unvaccinated?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1386 on: January 26, 2021, 05:13:10 PM »
Once Pfizer feels like Israel reached their threshold for herd immunity, will they cut off vaccine deliveries to Israel? Meaning, what happens once Pfizer gets what they want and Israel gets enough doses to get there in exchange, assuming there’s still demand in Israel from some of the remaining x% of the population who are unvaccinated?
The Israeli media claims Moderna is anxious to send vaccines to be part of the success story
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1387 on: January 26, 2021, 05:13:54 PM »
Once Pfizer feels like Israel reached their threshold for herd immunity, will they cut off vaccine deliveries to Israel? Meaning, what happens once Pfizer gets what they want and Israel gets enough doses to get there in exchange, assuming there’s still demand in Israel from some of the remaining x% of the population who are unvaccinated?
Herd immunity is almost impossible without vaccinating kids
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1388 on: January 26, 2021, 05:14:44 PM »
The Israeli media claims Moderna is anxious to send vaccines to be part of the success story

Yes, we’ve discussed that here. Will the offer still hold out once the party is over?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1389 on: January 26, 2021, 05:15:34 PM »
Herd immunity is almost impossible without vaccinating kids

Really? Then what’s the plan for that? are any vaccines being clinically tested for safety and effectiveness on Children?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1390 on: January 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM »
Really? Then what’s the plan for that? are any vaccines being clinically tested for safety and effectiveness on Children?
https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1353068051336294400

Well, I guess that's why they are trying the vaccine on high-risk kids - a real life test
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1391 on: January 26, 2021, 05:41:11 PM »
https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1353068051336294400

Well, I guess that's why they are trying the vaccine on high-risk kids - a real life test
The perfect tweet to answer the question. There is always a possibility of mandating vaccines to raise the 83%, but some of them are allergies/bedridden etc.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1392 on: January 26, 2021, 05:42:46 PM »
https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1353068051336294400

Well, I guess that's why they are trying the vaccine on high-risk kids - a real life test

If it was a test then they’d start with healthy children and go from there. They’re willing to offer vaccines to at risk-children who are likely to not survive COVID, but I don’t think they’re doing it as a test, I doubt that would be ethical. Maybe it’s a silver lining but certainly not the primary objective.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1393 on: January 26, 2021, 05:47:58 PM »
If it was a test then they’d start with healthy children and go from there. They’re willing to offer vaccines to at risk-children who are likely to not survive COVID, but I don’t think they’re doing it as a test, I doubt that would be ethical. Maybe it’s a silver lining but certainly not the primary objective.
If you're going to test, it would be more ethical to test it on kids who are at greater risk, which would justify the risk created by the trial.

The MoH protocol is similar to exceptional approvals of medicine where the risk of adverse results is weighed and considered less significant than the possibility it will hep.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1394 on: January 26, 2021, 05:55:50 PM »
Has anyone realized that even after Israel has vaccinated most of it's citizens, the borders will still be closed until most of the world is vaccinated in order to prevent new mutations ::)

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1395 on: January 26, 2021, 05:57:54 PM »
Has anyone realized that even after Israel has vaccinated most of it's citizens, the borders will still be closed until most of the world is vaccinated in order to prevent new mutations ::)

You probably mean to prevent entry of mutations.

I guess that’s TBD because nobody really knows how effective herd immunity will be against new mutations, we don’t even know what the mutation trajectory looks like.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1396 on: January 26, 2021, 06:00:15 PM »
Has anyone realized that even after Israel has vaccinated most of it's citizens, the borders will still be closed until most of the world is vaccinated in order to prevent new mutations ::)
I understand it's possible, but I very highly doubt it.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1397 on: January 26, 2021, 06:25:18 PM »
I understand it's possible, but I very highly doubt it.
i hope to heaven that u r right, but it probably depends on the polls for the day the decision has to be made

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1398 on: January 26, 2021, 06:41:48 PM »
i hope to heaven that u r right, but it probably depends on the polls for the day the decision has to be made
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