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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2120 on: March 31, 2021, 08:11:54 PM »
And so how do you propose to reopen, given our limited knowledge right now?
You are presuming there was an actual shutdown...
I don't like what Australia did, but it worked. Israel did it nisht ahin nisht aher.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2121 on: March 31, 2021, 08:18:55 PM »
You are presuming there was an actual shutdown...
I don't like what Australia did, but it worked. Israel did it nisht ahin nisht aher.
Clearly there is something, given that they still don't want forgieners.
What's inherently wrong with nisht ahin nisht aher? Australia closed down for weeks every time there was a case. That wasn't practical in Israel as people weren't willing to be hermetically sealed for years.

Australia lost 1 in 27,899 people.
Israel lost 1 in 1,462 people.
The US lost 1 in 595.
Italy lost 1 in 553 people.
The UK lost 1 in 524 people

Every country has to live with their compromises, but that's not a bad result for Israel.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2122 on: March 31, 2021, 08:27:53 PM »
Clearly there is something, given that they still don't want forgieners.
What's inherently wrong with nisht ahin nisht aher? Australia closed down for weeks every time there was a case. That wasn't practical in Israel as people weren't willing to be hermetically sealed for years.

Australia lost 1 in 27,899 people.
Israel lost 1 in 1,462 people.
The US lost 1 in 595.
Italy lost 1 in 553 people.

Every country has to live with their compromises, but that's not a bad result for Israel.
I'm not sure of Israel vs US but I understand that Israel vs Sweden, when adjusted for population age, comes out very similar.
In my thinking nisht ahin nisht aher should completely erode peoples trust in the government (as of that needs any help deteriorating). I'm really surprised by the vaccine drives success.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2123 on: March 31, 2021, 08:33:02 PM »
I'm not sure of Israel vs US but I understand that Israel vs Sweden, when adjusted for population age, comes out very similar.
In my thinking nisht ahin nisht aher should completely erode peoples trust in the government (as of that needs any help deteriorating). I'm really surprised by the vaccine drives success.
Give me a break, adjusted for age  ::) ::) ::).
1 in 760 Swedes died of COVID. More than twice the number of Israeli COVID deaths in a country with a fairly close number of people in it. That's a horrendous loss of life
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2124 on: March 31, 2021, 08:35:03 PM »
Give me a break, adjusted for age  ::) ::) ::).
1 in 760 Swedes died of COVID. More than twice the number of Israeli COVID deaths in a country with a fairly close number of people in it. That's a horrendous loss of life
Why shouldnt age be adjusted for? Its very reasonable to say that a younger demographic is a major contributor to the relatively positive outcome
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2125 on: March 31, 2021, 09:33:15 PM »
Give me a break, adjusted for age  ::) ::) ::).
1 in 760 Swedes died of COVID. More than twice the number of Israeli COVID deaths in a country with a fairly close number of people in it. That's a horrendous loss of life
Also a much more concentrated population
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2126 on: March 31, 2021, 09:34:40 PM »
Also a much more concentrated population
Exactly why it's a fools errand to start correcting for age, climate, density, etc.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2127 on: March 31, 2021, 09:46:33 PM »
Exactly why it's a fools errand to start correcting for age, climate, density, etc.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2128 on: April 01, 2021, 02:50:01 AM »
Exactly why it's a fools errand to start correcting for age, climate, density, etc.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2130 on: April 01, 2021, 09:29:21 AM »
And we got the fabulous news this morning.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-confirm-high-efficacy-and-no-serious

Further confirmation of previous numbers. Surprising that they report efficacy against severe disease but not against death. Also, the South African strain data is iffy with only 800 participants enrolled in SA.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2131 on: April 01, 2021, 10:32:55 AM »

IMO very worrying for the pro vax community regular people.
FTFY

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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2132 on: April 01, 2021, 11:54:55 AM »
FTFY

I don’t know what cult you think people are in, but there is no pro-vax “community”. You’re mistaking us for the anti-vaxxers.
I should correct it to pro vax as proposed by the Israeli government community. So in 6 months or whenever they decide it isn't exactly 100% safe according to their standards (go figure that out...) they will suddenly shut down the schools or something. I'm not anti vax in general, the issue is when things get this politicized and authoritarian. This is very clearly experimental medicine on some level. They are effectively mandating it, that's not OK.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2133 on: April 01, 2021, 11:56:47 AM »
I should correct it to pro vax as proposed by the Israeli government community. So in 6 months or whenever they decide it isn't exactly 100% safe according to their standards (go figure that out...) they will suddenly shut down the schools or something. I'm not anti vax in general, the issue is when things get this politicized and authoritarian. This is very clearly experimental medicine on some level. They are effectively mandating it, that's not OK.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-six-months-bn/index.html

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When you're trying to save lives and the economy, you do what needs to be done and play things by ear if necessary.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2134 on: April 01, 2021, 11:59:14 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-six-months-bn/index.html

Next argument?

When you're trying to save lives and the economy, you do what needs to be done and play things by ear if necessary.
I hear. I think liberty has a price and covid has posed the question of whether it's worth it in the most brutal way yet.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2135 on: April 06, 2021, 12:37:49 AM »
JPOST:Pfizer has halted shipments of its COVID-19 vaccine to Israel in retaliation to Israel failing to transfer payment for the last 2.5 million doses it supplied to the country.

Pfizer officials say they are concerned that the government-in-transition will not pay up and the company does not want to be taken advantage of. Adding they couldn’t comprehend how such a situation can occur in an organized country.


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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2136 on: April 06, 2021, 03:28:46 AM »
Adding they couldn’t comprehend how such a situation can occur in an organized country.
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2137 on: April 06, 2021, 09:33:04 AM »
JPOST:Pfizer has halted shipments of its COVID-19 vaccine to Israel in retaliation to Israel failing to transfer payment for the last 2.5 million doses it supplied to the country.

Pfizer officials say they are concerned that the government-in-transition will not pay up and the company does not want to be taken advantage of. Adding they couldn’t comprehend how such a situation can occur in an organized country.



@PlatinumGuy is there more to this story? Contractual dispute?
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2138 on: April 06, 2021, 09:41:54 AM »
@PlatinumGuy is there more to this story? Contractual dispute?
Nah just a small delay because the Israeli cabinet is in deadlock and isn’t convening
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Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2139 on: April 06, 2021, 10:07:16 AM »
Nah just a small delay because the Israeli cabinet is in deadlock and isn’t convening
HT Benny Gantz. Real leadership.
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