The current state of COVID-19 in Israel

[Moshe123]

1,110 cases in Israel so far today. One more update to go.

1.9% positive.

שיא נדבקים מאז מרץ: 1372 חיוביים לקורונה אובחנו אתמול

[Moshe123]

952 cases so far today in Israel. 2 more updates to go.

Number in serious condition is down.

This is even with 11 new serious cases today. People are in and out of the hospital. This is a new phenomenon.

[Lurker]

People are in and out of the hospital.

B"H!!

[yelped]

952 cases so far today in Israel. 2 more updates to go.

Number in serious condition is down.

This is even with 11 new serious cases today. People are in and out of the hospital. This is a new phenomenon.

Is the new variant less deadly? Or all those vaccinated and therefore the illness is much less severe?

[Lurker]

Is the new variant less deadly? Or all those vaccinated and therefore the illness is much less severe?

Based on India's numbers, I'd lean towards the latter.

[B.D.Da'ehu]

https://twitter.com/newsisrael13/status/1417378096068636681?s=20

[AsherO]

Is this like RSV now that get treated for two days and go home recovered?

For vaccinated patients who R"L progress to severe, the progress is actually likely slower than it would have been if they weren't vaccinated, with their immune system struggling to overcome the infection and prolonging its development.

[TimT]

For vaccinated patients who R"L progress to severe, the progress is actually likely slower than it would have been if they weren't vaccinated, with their immune system struggling to overcome the infection and prolonging its development.

Why is this ?

[AsherO]

Why is this ?

Pretty sure I saw data supporting this in a tweet shared on DDF (probably by PG). Like I explained, these patients mount an immune response that tries to stave off the infection, so it takes longer for the infection to progress.

[Lurker]

For vaccinated patients who R"L progress to severe, the progress is actually likely slower than it would have been if they weren't vaccinated, with their immune system struggling to overcome the infection and prolonging its development.

How do you reconcile this with what seems to be shorter severity length (based on new severe cases vs total severe cases)?

[AsherO]

How do you reconcile this with what seems to be shorter severity length (based on new severe cases vs total severe cases)?

I might be mistaken. Anyway, average time from positive to severe might be longer, but the person will be in severe classification for less time due to better/faster outcomes for vaccinated patients, and/or better treatment protocols compared to Alpha.

Idk what the definition for severe is, but let’s say it’s OxSat below a certain number, if the person isn’t going to be on a ventilator for weeks (maintaining severe status) then the average severe time will be shorter because it’s patients who cross the threshold for a short time.

[S209]

https://twitter.com/newsisrael13/status/1417378096068636681?s=20

This is somewhat misleading. I would assume nearly all of the severe cases are from the elderly, of whom 90%+ are vaccinated. So the vaccine is still at least somewhat effective in that demographic, although I don’t know all of the math.

[Moshe123]

1,226 cases so far today.

[Moshe123]

Thread.

https://twitter.com/KerenMarc/status/1417550866941452290?s=19

[Lurker]

Thread.

Interesting...

https://twitter.com/zahnya1000/status/1417553216343003138

ETA: I don't know why it's not showing in the embedded Tweet, but those other 2 Tweets he quotes are from Sept 30 and Oct 6, 2020, during the second wave.

[B.D.Da'ehu]

This is somewhat misleading. I would assume nearly all of the severe cases are from the elderly, of whom 90%+ are vaccinated. So the vaccine is still at least somewhat effective in that demographic, although I don’t know all of the math.

We're waiting for updated numbers, but this is what they released so far.


https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/bytq34n0u

[Euclid]

Interesting...

https://twitter.com/zahnya1000/status/1417553216343003138

ETA: I don't know why it's not showing in the embedded Tweet, but those other 2 Tweets he quotes are from Sept 30 and Oct 6, 2020, during the second wave.

So that would mean that the number of "actual" serious cases is really lower? That would be good news.

[Lurker]

So that would mean that the number of "actual" serious cases is really lower? That would be good news.

I don't know. Someone needs to clarify the parameters of the Israeli case classifications. Without that, none of this makes any sense to me.

[yesitsme]

915 cases already today in Israel. 2 more updates to go.
1.8% positive.

New serious cases, but overall number is down six.
Is this like RSV now that get treated for two days and go home recovered?

I had a few nephews on respirators a few months ago from RSV

[yesitsme]

For vaccinated patients who R"L progress to severe, the progress is actually likely slower than it would have been if they weren't vaccinated, with their immune system struggling to overcome the infection and prolonging its development.

Is this good or bad news?