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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #300 on: July 07, 2020, 10:58:45 AM »
Slavery was also an event that happened just the same as the Holocaust.
Wrong. “The Holocaust” refers to a specific event, while “genocide” refers to a concept that has repeatedly occurred throughout history. “Slavery” refers to a concept that has repeatedly occurred throughout history, not a specific event. Perhaps “American Slavery” can be used in a similar fashion.

The words “death, shot, gassed, burned, cremated, murdered, genocide, brutality, beating, mass grave” etc. are not anti-Semitic or specifically referring to the Holocaust.
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #301 on: July 07, 2020, 11:29:21 AM »
If you don't understand why a black growing up and living in our great country would be offended by the term Master/slave nothing I can say will help you.

African Americans living in the US today and, for example, European Christians have something in common:  Some of their ancestors may have been slaves.  Despite that similarity, I don't hear European Christians getting offended by the "slave/master" terminology. Or by golf's "the Masters." Or by a "Master bedroom." Why is it uniquely triggering to African Americans living today -- none of whom have been slaves -- such that they want it uprooted from the lexicon?

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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #303 on: July 07, 2020, 12:21:46 PM »
What will help you is go live in the inner city for a year among the backs and then you will understand. No
I don't mean that literally but you get the point.
3 decades enough?

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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #304 on: July 07, 2020, 12:29:18 PM »
Perhaps “American Slavery” can be used in a similar fashion.
What slavery do you think we are talking about?
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #305 on: July 07, 2020, 12:31:49 PM »
What slavery do you think we are talking about?
The slavery of a hard drive? That was the discussion
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #306 on: July 07, 2020, 12:36:25 PM »
African Americans living in the US today and, for example, European Christians have something in common:  Some of their ancestors may have been slaves.  Despite that similarity, I don't hear European Christians getting offended by the "slave/master" terminology. Or by golf's "the Masters." Or by a "Master bedroom." Why is it uniquely triggering to African Americans living today -- none of whom have been slaves -- such that they want it uprooted from the lexicon?
I am going to take a wild guess and say the average black does not think they have anything in common with European Christians.
You think because none of them have been slaves themselves really matters?
In a few years their will be no living Holocausts survivors. Do relatives of Holocausts victims no longer have a say?
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #307 on: July 07, 2020, 12:38:03 PM »
The slavery of a hard drive? That was the discussion
Hello wall.  ::)
Master/slave in hard drive terminology as it relates to blacks based on past slavery (American).
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #308 on: July 07, 2020, 12:39:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/HaMeturgeman/status/1280529543380549632
Is this the issue. Many here are upset that one injustice is getting all the attention?
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #309 on: July 07, 2020, 12:55:02 PM »
Hello wall.  ::)
Master/slave in hard drive terminology as it relates to blacks based on past slavery (American).
You’re the one making that connection. There’s no intrinsic connection. Slavery doesn’t always (or even mostly) mean American/black slavery
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #310 on: July 07, 2020, 12:56:52 PM »
I am going to take a wild guess and say the average black does not think they have anything in common with European Christians.
You think because none of them have been slaves themselves really matters?
In a few years their will be no living Holocausts survivors. Do relatives of Holocausts victims no longer have a say?

Whether the "average black" thinks they have something in common with European Christians is irrelevant.  Facts are facts. Both (may have) had ancestors who were slaves.

Why is it that only one demographic gets "offended?"
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #311 on: July 07, 2020, 12:58:26 PM »
Slavery doesn’t always (or even mostly) mean American/black slavery
To the blacks growing up in America?
You lost your mind.  :P

Does the Holocausts always refer to Jews?
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #312 on: July 07, 2020, 01:02:32 PM »
Whether the "average black" thinks they have something in common with European Christians is irrelevant.  Facts are facts. Both (may have) had ancestors who were slaves.

Why is it that only one demographic gets "offended?"
Sorry but I am not familiar with European history. I can only speak to what Master/slave means here in America as I see it.

Do you support NASCAR banning the confederate battle flag? Not looking for a 20 page debate. Just trying to understand your overall view.
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #313 on: July 07, 2020, 01:08:59 PM »
Sorry but I am not familiar with European history. I can only speak to what Master/slave means here in America as I see it.

GIYF. And, besides, I have made you familiar.

So, coming full circle, why is it that, in your opinion, black people seem to have cornered the market in taking offense to the term master/slave when millions and millions of people from other races have been slaves? And why do you support the restriction on free speech such a position entails?

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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #314 on: July 07, 2020, 01:21:09 PM »
GIYF. And, besides, I have made you familiar.
I have no interest in European history at this time. You did make me familiar with your understanding of it.
So, coming full circle, why is it that, in your opinion, black people seem to have cornered the market in taking offense to the term master/slave when millions and millions of people from other races have been slaves? And why do you support the restriction on free speech such a position entails?
In this country when we talk about slavery it refers to blacks. If you want to call that cornering the market then so be it.
I look at Master/slave terminology in hard drives as racist. You don't agree and I get that.
Now can I get an answer to my question?  :)
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #315 on: July 07, 2020, 01:34:05 PM »
To the blacks growing up in America?
You lost your mind.  :P

Does the Holocausts always refer to Jews?
Who said we are talking about to blacks in America? We are talking about people in general. To Orthodox Jews, slavery means our slavery in Egypt.

Do I need to repeat this again? The Holocaust is referring to a specific event. Slavery is referring to a concept. So to use the proper analogy, no *genocide* does not always refer to Jews, nor would it offend most Jews to use it for other things.
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #316 on: July 07, 2020, 01:35:46 PM »
what about the Armenian holocaust?

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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #317 on: July 07, 2020, 01:37:45 PM »
I have no interest in European history at this time. You did make me familiar with your understanding of it.In this country when we talk about slavery it refers to blacks. If you want to call that cornering the market then so be it.
I look at Master/slave terminology in hard drives as racist. You don't agree and I get that.
Now can I get an answer to my question?  :)
Speak for yourself. I repeat a paragraph twice a day remembering our exodus from hundreds of years of slavery. Yes, if all you know about history is the enslavement of Black people in America you’re certain to think “slave” terminology is racist. But that’s not an indictment of English, it’s an indictment of your knowledge of history.
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #318 on: July 07, 2020, 01:38:41 PM »
Who said we are talking about to blacks in America?
I did. I also made it clear we are talking about American slavery.
Do I need to repeat this again? The Holocaust is referring to a specific event.
Still waiting for answer to the question.
Does the Holocausts always refer to Jews?
Simple yes or no is all that is needed.
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Re: Is everyone really a racist?
« Reply #319 on: July 07, 2020, 01:39:14 PM »
what about the Armenian holocaust?
That would be referred to as “The Armenian Holocaust”. Again, an event. “The Holocaust” has one meaning, and it’s referring to specific events that took place at a specific time period. This shouldn’t be news.
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