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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #345 on: August 02, 2020, 03:03:59 AM »
IRA limit increased to 6k, or 12k per couple.

Many people in this situation have access to a 401k, with a contribution limit of 19.5k. You can lower income by up to 31.5k, that should be more than enough to get off of programs.
CMIIW, but I believe NY State of Health uses MAGI which includes IRA contributions.

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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #346 on: August 02, 2020, 09:53:09 AM »
CMIIW, but I believe NY State of Health uses MAGI which includes IRA contributions.
IINM IRA (not Roth) deducts from MAGI

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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #347 on: August 02, 2020, 10:11:53 AM »
IINM IRA (not Roth) deducts from MAGI
I thought so too, but it looks like not. 401k deductions do lower MAGI.

Not all programs use MAGI, for example EITC is based on AGI. Health insurance tax credits are based on MAGI, but you don't take out IRA deductions.
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #348 on: August 02, 2020, 10:43:29 AM »
I thought so too, but it looks like not. 401k deductions do lower MAGI.

Not all programs use MAGI, for example EITC is based on AGI. Health insurance tax credits are based on MAGI, but you don't take out IRA deductions.

Based on https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/modified-adjusted-gross-income-magi/

IRA contributions do not get added back to AGI to arrive at MAGI for ACA.
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #349 on: August 02, 2020, 10:57:49 AM »


Based on https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/modified-adjusted-gross-income-magi/

IRA contributions do not get added back to AGI to arrive at MAGI for ACA.

That seems to be a fairly basic description of MAGI. If you dig a little deeper, you get to https://www.healthcare.gov/reporting-deductions/ which suggests you do have to include IRA contributions as income.

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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #350 on: August 02, 2020, 11:07:21 AM »

That seems to be a fairly basic description of MAGI. If you dig a little deeper, you get to https://www.healthcare.gov/reporting-deductions/ which suggests you do have to include IRA contributions as income.
The healthcare.gov website is really confusing, I believe it's saying 2 things
1) Report IRA deductions
2) Don't report child or dependant care expenses.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #351 on: August 02, 2020, 11:41:55 AM »
To simplify:
Which line in the tax return do they ask for?
And how does turbo tax compute that line ?
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #352 on: August 02, 2020, 01:52:51 PM »
The healthcare.gov website is really confusing, I believe it's saying 2 things
1) Report IRA deductions
2) Don't report child or dependant care expenses.

It looks somewhat confusing when viewing on a mobile browser, but looking at it on a desktop browser there is no confusion whatsoever in my mind.

And

Based on https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/modified-adjusted-gross-income-magi/

IRA contributions do not get added back to AGI to arrive at MAGI for ACA.

is accurate.

https://www.healthcare.gov/reporting-deductions/



Also see:
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/pdf/2019/magi.pdf (attached to this post)
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #353 on: August 02, 2020, 06:28:57 PM »
It looks somewhat confusing when viewing on a mobile browser, but looking at it on a desktop browser there is no confusion whatsoever in my mind.

And

is accurate.

https://www.healthcare.gov/reporting-deductions/



Also see:
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/pdf/2019/magi.pdf (attached to this post)
According to what you highlighted, you can only deduct IRA contributions if you don't have a work retirement account, so again no 401k AND IRA.

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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #354 on: August 02, 2020, 06:36:34 PM »
According to what you highlighted, you can only deduct IRA contributions if you don't have a work retirement account, so again no 401k AND IRA.

That's pretty obvious. That is also how it works on the taxation end.
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #355 on: August 02, 2020, 06:41:32 PM »
According to what you highlighted, you can only deduct IRA contributions if you don't have a work retirement account, so again no 401k AND IRA.

I just now went back to the post that triggered the current discussion, and it is obviously mistaken.

IRA limit increased to 6k, or 12k per couple.

Many people in this situation have access to a 401k, with a contribution limit of 19.5k. You can lower income by up to 31.5k, that should be more than enough to get off of programs.

If contributing 19.5k to a 401k one cannot contribute an additional deductible 12k per couple into IRAs, except if total household income for married filing jointly is under $104,000
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #356 on: August 02, 2020, 06:42:07 PM »
That's pretty obvious. That is also how it works on the taxation end.
That depends on your income. You could do both up to a certain threshold.

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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #357 on: August 02, 2020, 06:44:54 PM »
I just now went back to the post that triggered the current discussion, and it is obviously mistaken.

If contributing 19.5k to a 401k one cannot contribute an additional deductible 12k per couple into IRAs.
You're correct, I made a mistake. The second spouse can still contribute $6k to an IRA.
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #358 on: August 02, 2020, 06:45:24 PM »
That depends on your income. You could do both up to a certain threshold.

Not as far as I can recall, unless things changed.

Source?
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Re: Dave Ramsey Plan
« Reply #359 on: August 02, 2020, 06:46:20 PM »