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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #400 on: January 19, 2021, 08:37:00 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #401 on: January 19, 2021, 08:39:42 PM »
I don't think it is the right pick considering the nursing home policy, but that isn't at all surprising. Seems qualified otherwise. We know to expect appointment to be based partially on these other shtusim as shown in VP pick, but that is what the Dems are all about. nunu
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #402 on: January 19, 2021, 08:57:19 PM »
Again, do you know anything about her or are you just deciding she isn't qualified without any evidence?

Don't know why it's in this thread, but this guy put in place the same policy regarding nursing homes that NY had. Meanwhile, he transfered his mother out of the nursing home she was in to protect her...

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #403 on: January 19, 2021, 09:16:14 PM »
Can we leave the diagnosies to the psychiatrists?

Can we discuss ideas without appeals to authority? If your argument is that this thread is the wrong place for this discussion, then fine.

I agree with your criticism of those who stigmatize mental illness. But I don't think that we need a psychiatrist to tell us that people who are 12 times more likely to commit suicide than the general population are not in severe emotional and mental distress.

Disclaimer: do not take medical advice from random people having a discussion on the internet.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #404 on: January 19, 2021, 09:22:32 PM »
Can we discuss ideas without appeals to authority? If your argument is that this thread is the wrong place for this discussion, then fine.

I agree with your criticism of those who stigmatize mental illness. But I don't think that we need a psychiatrist to tell us that people who are 12 times more likely to commit suicide than the general population are not in severe emotional and mental distress.

Disclaimer: do not take medical advice from random people having a discussion on the internet.

We can discuss it as a general concept, and we're probably in agreement. But when you end up with people saying trans people should not get jobs because they're y sick, I think the dangers of public diagnosis become clear.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #405 on: January 19, 2021, 10:13:07 PM »
We can discuss it as a general concept, and we're probably in agreement. But when you end up with people saying trans people should not get jobs because they're y sick, I think the dangers of public diagnosis become clear.
(The following doesn't necessarily represent my feelings on this issue)
There is a difference between any job, and this job in particular if we are dealing with someone with a mental illness.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #406 on: January 19, 2021, 11:35:40 PM »
I agree with your criticism of those who stigmatize mental illness. But I don't think that we need a psychiatrist to tell us that people who are 12 times more likely to commit suicide than the general population are not in severe emotional and mental distress.

1. That suicide rate could be higher because of the stigmas created.
2. It could also be because lots of mentally ill (in other ways) people self-identify as transgender for various reasons (to get attention, to belong, to have rights,  and possibly others) and the suicide rate has more to do with those people’s state of mind/mental condition than their “transgender” status.
3. Some transgender people have gender-identity issues because of gender imposed upon them by crazy parents, that can drive a person to suicide.

So I would say it depends.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #407 on: January 20, 2021, 02:31:20 AM »
1. That suicide rate could be higher because of the stigmas created.
2. It could also be because lots of mentally ill (in other ways) people self-identify as transgender for various reasons (to get attention, to belong, to have rights,  and possibly others) and the suicide rate has more to do with those people’s state of mind/mental condition than their “transgender” status.
3. Some transgender people have gender-identity issues because of gender imposed upon them by crazy parents, that can drive a person to suicide.

So I would say it depends.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #408 on: January 20, 2021, 08:17:52 AM »
Someone with an observable acute mental illness shouldn’t be one of the faces of public health policy in a country, but that’s just my opinion.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #409 on: January 20, 2021, 08:19:20 AM »
Someone with an acute observable mental illness shouldn’t be one of the faces of public health policy in a country, but that’s just my opinion.

Any mental illness or just this one?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #410 on: January 20, 2021, 08:19:44 AM »
Someone with an acute observable mental illness shouldn’t be one of the faces of public health policy in a country, but that’s just my opinion.

Do all transgender people fit a diagnosis in the DSM-V? Hard to believe in 2020.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #411 on: January 20, 2021, 08:29:53 AM »
Any mental illness or just this one?

I don’t want to say all without thinking every mental illness through, but I can draw the line when the person openly believes in fake science.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #412 on: January 20, 2021, 09:50:45 AM »
I don’t want to say all without thinking every mental illness through, but I can draw the line when the person openly believes in fake science.

Ah. So it's not the mental illness that's the issue.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #413 on: January 20, 2021, 01:03:28 PM »
Do all transgender people fit a diagnosis in the DSM-V? Hard to believe in 2020.
by now they censored updated it out of the DSM-V

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #414 on: January 20, 2021, 01:25:13 PM »
by now they censored updated it out of the DSM-V

Wouldn't be the first time, or the last...

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #415 on: January 20, 2021, 04:44:55 PM »
3. Some transgender people have gender-identity issues because of gender
imposed upon them by crazy parents, that can drive a person to suicide.

What do you mean by that?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #416 on: January 20, 2021, 04:48:46 PM »
What do you mean by that?

I mean there are parents who impose/project a gender identity on their child.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #417 on: January 20, 2021, 04:52:34 PM »
When discussing the condition, (not a specific person), I think it's pretty obvious that a person who is so uncomfortable with the way their body looks that they feel the need to go through extreme medical intervention to change is suffering from a mental disorder.

I don't agree or disagree. Can we leave the diagnoses to the psychiatrists?

You really don't need to be a professional to know that a mental state which causes enough
distress that people prefer non-trivial surgery to remaining in it has clinical significance.

...likely have no bearing on the person's qualifications.

Agreed (maybe even without "likely").
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #418 on: January 20, 2021, 04:54:07 PM »
I mean there are parents who impose/project a gender identity on their child.

As in, child is physically male/female but parents raise them as if they were the other?
(Are you talking about intersex people?)
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #419 on: January 20, 2021, 05:01:08 PM »
As in, child is physically male/female but parents raise them as if they were the other?

This. And I’m not talking about intersex people.
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