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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2020, 07:43:18 AM »
Where will it stop? Next their gonna abolish the constitution and anything done during the first 100 yrs if this country because they were all slave owners
Yup, people tore down a Columbus statue yesterday ....

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2020, 07:48:23 AM »
Anyone know the answer to this? Does Germany have statues of Nazi generals all over public places in their country?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2020, 08:01:16 AM »
This is what you call conviction!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/nascar-truck-racer-ray-ciccarelli-says-hes-quitting-after-confederate-flag-ban/ar-BB15j5QA?ocid=spartanntp

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2020, 08:09:11 AM »
This is what you call conviction!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/nascar-truck-racer-ray-ciccarelli-says-hes-quitting-after-confederate-flag-ban/ar-BB15j5QA?ocid=spartanntp

Will quit after the season is over. It is not important enough to quit now.  :)
It’s called commitment, doesn’t want to let his team down on middle of a season

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2020, 08:17:01 AM »
It’s called commitment, doesn’t want to let his team down on middle of a season
ROFLMAO!
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2020, 08:47:49 AM »
Anyone know the answer to this? Does Germany have statues of Nazi generals all over public places in their country?
No, they don't. The Nazis ruled Germany only for 12 years. Part of Left in the US rejects hundreds of years of US history, and for good measure the entire Western civilization.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2020, 03:41:29 PM »
About the progressive strategist who was fired for tweeting a study showing the protesting peacefully was a better strategy than the recent Peaceful Protests.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/06/case-for-liberalism-tom-cotton-new-york-times-james-bennet.html
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2020, 03:57:23 PM »
No, they don't. The Nazis ruled Germany only for 12 years. Part of Left in the US rejects hundreds of years of US history, and for good measure the entire Western civilization.
How many years did the confederacy rule? Hint, much less than 12 years...
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2020, 04:54:38 PM »
How many years did the confederacy rule? Hint, much less than 12 years...
The groups that tear down General Lee and Columbus will eventually tear down Ulysses S. Grant and George Washington too

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2020, 05:15:26 PM »
The groups that tear down General Lee and Columbus will eventually tear down Ulysses S. Grant and George Washington too
Maybe but the point I was making I think is clear.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2020, 05:16:23 PM »
The groups that tear down General Lee and Columbus will eventually tear down Ulysses S. Grant and George Washington too

Ahh the famous slippery slope.
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Re: Are we going to far?
« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2020, 05:26:41 PM »
I'd imagine that the Confederate flag to a black person would be like a Jew seeing a Nazi flag. I sure wouldn't feel comfortable at events with the Nazi flag flying.

Why does the Confederate flag still have a place in today's society other than on statues or in museums?

The only argument that I can see is if it now represents something other than the confederacy. There are plenty of examples of symbols going the other way (from ok to unacceptable) such as the swastika (and the magen david for some...)

I don't know enough about the history of the confederate flag to say if that is the case here.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2020, 05:28:28 PM »
The only argument that I can see is if it now represents something other than the confederacy. There are plenty of examples of symbols going the other way (from ok to unacceptable) such as the swastika (and the magen david for some...)

I don't know enough about the history of the confederate flag to say if that is the case here.
Swastika existed before the Nazis took it over.
Confederate flag came into existence specifically for slavery, so if anything it's worse according to that logic.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2020, 05:38:54 PM »
Swastika existed before the Nazis took it over.

Right that's my point. Just like the Nazis "co-opted" a symbol that meant something else (and now the symbol has completely lost its original meaning), Southerners can claim that they took a flag that was once the symbol of slavery/confederacy and now it means something else.

I'm not saying that I agree, only that it is a possibility.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2020, 05:41:39 PM »
Right that's my point. Just like the Nazis "co-opted" a symbol that meant something else (and now the symbol has completely lost its original meaning), Southerners can claim that they took a flag that was once the symbol of slavery/confederacy and now it means something else.
Fair enough, what does it mean now? I guessing they mean after the KKK took it over.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2020, 06:17:12 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2020, 08:28:07 AM »
/thread
https://twitter.com/jenbrea/status/1271148784316108800
Really scary. The issue with this, is that this attitude is only getting more and more prevalent. Are we still in America, land of free and healthy debates? It seems like this trend to silence anyone not conforming with some radical outlook and sentencing them to a virtual death sentence is only accelerating.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2020, 08:41:52 AM »
so lets sum it up
Christopher Columbus
was a Nazi perhaps as bad as Hitler YM"SH
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2020, 09:18:28 AM »
so lets sum it up
Christopher Columbus Trump
was a Nazi perhaps as bad as Hitler YM"SH
FTFY  :P
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2020, 09:57:16 AM »
Really scary. The issue with this, is that this attitude is only getting more and more prevalent. Are we still in America, land of free and healthy debates? It seems like this trend to silence anyone not conforming with some radical outlook and sentencing them to a virtual death sentence is only accelerating.
+1, way better example than OP :P
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