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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #160 on: June 23, 2020, 12:55:09 PM »
its a combination of 400 years under the rule of donald trump
401 to be precise.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #161 on: June 23, 2020, 02:08:52 PM »
401 to be precise.
maybe after 404, we'll get an error message that will allow it to continue

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #163 on: June 23, 2020, 03:40:38 PM »
How is this a thing in 2020.
New York.
Aren't you aware of what happened in York in 1190?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #164 on: June 23, 2020, 03:41:56 PM »
Pennsylvania.
William Penn was a slave owner.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #165 on: June 23, 2020, 03:46:35 PM »
Pennsylvania.
William Penn was a slave owner.
So just remove the 'Penn' and call the state 'Sylvania'. I'm sure the light bulb company won't care.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #168 on: June 23, 2020, 04:47:14 PM »
Are you in favor of removing them?
Nope.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #169 on: June 23, 2020, 04:48:18 PM »
Nope.
+1
Curious what others think.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #170 on: June 23, 2020, 04:54:43 PM »
+1
Curious what others think.
I'm not a historian, but I think that not all of them are equal. I can hear the argument that some should be removed. But just because a guy hated Jews doesn't mean his statue should be removed. But if someone did more than just say things, there's more reason to take it down.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #171 on: June 23, 2020, 04:57:35 PM »
I'm not a historian, but I think that not all of them are equal. I can hear the argument that some should be removed. But just because a guy hated Jews doesn't mean his statue should be removed. But if someone did more than just say things, there's more reason to take it down.
How about the Arch of Titus?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #172 on: June 23, 2020, 05:00:58 PM »

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #173 on: June 23, 2020, 05:04:55 PM »

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #174 on: June 23, 2020, 05:10:31 PM »
I disagree.
I think you might agree if you were alive during that time.
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #175 on: June 23, 2020, 05:14:50 PM »
Are you in favor of removing them?

I'm not a historian, but I think that not all of them are equal. I can hear the argument that some should be removed. But just because a guy hated Jews doesn't mean his statue should be removed. But if someone did more than just say things, there's more reason to take it down.

I would say that the distinction should be based on why statues are being made for them. If the actions they are being honored for are bad, I think they should be taken down. If, however, they are being honored for good that they did, I don't think they should be torn down because of their (unrelated) sins.

For example, I think a statue of Robert E. Lee at West Point (assuming they have statues of all their Superintendents) is fine in my eyes. That same statue at the South Carolina state house is inappropriate.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #176 on: June 23, 2020, 05:17:02 PM »
I think you might agree if you were alive during that time.
But we aren't.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #177 on: June 23, 2020, 05:19:54 PM »
But we aren't.
no, the point is you would feel the distain for it more bc its closer, but there are plenty of people who still feel distain much later in history

for context, you probably wouldnt agree to a statue of Hitler ym's bc its closer to us-but maybe you actually would bc u werent around then (were you? :o)
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #178 on: June 23, 2020, 05:22:52 PM »
I disagree.
Hypothetically, do you think statues of Hitler should be allowed to stand in 2,000 years?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #179 on: June 23, 2020, 05:27:36 PM »
Hypothetically, do you think statues of Hitler should be allowed to stand in 2,000 years?
no, the point is you would feel the distain for it more bc its closer, but there are plenty of people who still feel distain much later in history

for context, you probably wouldnt agree to a statue of Hitler ym's bc its closer to us-but maybe you actually would bc u werent around then (were you? :o)
great point! ;D
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible