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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #600 on: March 02, 2021, 06:20:35 PM »
I cannot give insight into Twain's thinking when he was young, but this essay, written in his later years, is fascinating, and I think every Jew should read it. I attached it to the following post, so you can click on it to go back there and download the document with the essay.


I just want to point out that a good portion of that essay is basically saying that Jews are shrewd and dishonest money-hungry parasites, all this while purportedly complimenting them.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #601 on: March 02, 2021, 06:28:28 PM »
I just want to point out that a good portion of that essay is basically saying that Jews are shrewd and dishonest money-hungry parasites, all this while purportedly complimenting them.
That is far from the sentiment I picked up when I read it.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #602 on: March 02, 2021, 06:43:07 PM »
That is far from the sentiment I picked up when I read it.
What does he come out about "why Jews are hated"?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #603 on: March 02, 2021, 07:02:36 PM »
http://www.twainweb.net/filelist/jews.html

But it does seem more complicated and that it changed as he grew older.
Yeah, that's not gonna cut it for the title 'known anti-semitic author'.

ETA: For context on what I mean, these are 'known anti semitic authors'. Wikipedia is not the be all end all, but if their Wiki page doesn't even mention it, they're probably not 'known' as anti-semitic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl#Antisemitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot#Antisemitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound#Antisemitism,_social_credit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Ferdinand_C%C3%A9line#Antisemitism,_fascism_and_collaboration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsley_Amis#Anti-Semitism
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #604 on: March 02, 2021, 07:19:53 PM »
What does he come out about "why Jews are hated"?
 @Yehuda57
IIRC, because they are a threat to the existence of everyone else, because nobody could compete with them.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #605 on: March 02, 2021, 07:29:37 PM »
“ He has made a marvellous fight in this world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?” Mark Twain

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #607 on: March 02, 2021, 07:43:03 PM »
Yeah, that's not gonna cut it for the title 'known anti-semitic author'.

ETA: For context on what I mean, these are 'known anti semitic authors'. Wikipedia is not the be all end all, but if their Wiki page doesn't even mention it, they're probably not 'known' as anti-semitic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl#Antisemitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot#Antisemitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound#Antisemitism,_social_credit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Ferdinand_C%C3%A9line#Antisemitism,_fascism_and_collaboration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsley_Amis#Anti-Semitism
Okay, he is a bad example.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #608 on: March 02, 2021, 07:43:44 PM »
IIRC, because they are a threat to the existence of everyone else, because nobody could compete with them.
Yup they are just so shrewd. They also don't contribute to society.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #609 on: March 02, 2021, 09:47:07 PM »
“ He has made a marvellous fight in this world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?” Mark Twain
That is an excerpt from the aforementioned essay.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #610 on: March 02, 2021, 09:47:35 PM »
Yup they are just so shrewd. They also don't contribute to society.
That's not what he says.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #612 on: March 03, 2021, 07:59:41 AM »
It's ironic. I think canceling Dr. Seuss will most adversely effect the Black community, as his books can be a great first experience in the world of rap, something Black artists thrive in.

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Re: Are we going too far?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #614 on: March 03, 2021, 01:39:43 PM »
Lol, the internet's memory is amazing.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/837349786340716546
This association by right wing media of Biden and Harris personally with 'cancellations' they have nothing to do with is so silly. Hasbro made their own business decisions and NEA/Dr Seuss Enterprises made theirs.  Of course left wing media did it to Trump plenty (and still does), but that doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #615 on: March 03, 2021, 01:55:40 PM »
This association by right wing media of Biden and Harris personally with 'cancellations' they have nothing to do with is so silly. Hasbro made their own business decisions and NEA/Dr Seuss Enterprises made theirs.  Of course left wing media did it to Trump plenty (and still does), but that doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

"Let the free market sort it out"

"Hey free market, stop canceling!"

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #616 on: March 03, 2021, 02:05:56 PM »
This association by right wing media of Biden and Harris personally with 'cancellations' they have nothing to do with is so silly. Hasbro made their own business decisions and NEA/Dr Seuss Enterprises made theirs.  Of course left wing media did it to Trump plenty (and still does), but that doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

Didn't Biden exclude mention of Dr. Seuss from the Reading Day Proclamation which is on his birthday (in contrast to both Trump and Obama)?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #617 on: March 03, 2021, 02:53:47 PM »
"Let the free market sort it out"

"Hey free market, stop canceling!"
More like "Hey [insert name of politician I don't like], stop cancelling!"
Didn't Biden exclude mention of Dr. Seuss from the Reading Day Proclamation which is on his birthday (in contrast to both Trump and Obama)?
Don't be lazy. Read Across America Day is an NEA initiative. The NEA had a contract with Dr Seuss Enterprises partnering for Read Across America Day, which has since expired. The proclamation was drafted by the Dept of Ed, likely in conjunction with the NEA - so it's not surprising that they left out Dr Seuss. All of which is to say that Dr Seuss was not mentioned in this year's proclamation, and that does not equate to Biden cancelling Dr Seuss in any way shape or form.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #618 on: March 03, 2021, 03:06:44 PM »
"Let the free market sort it out"

"Hey free market, stop canceling!"


Part of the free market is the ability to call people out when you think they are doing something wrong.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #619 on: March 03, 2021, 03:29:00 PM »

Part of the free market is the ability to call people out when you think they are doing something wrong.
Nope that is free speech. Nothing to do with markets.
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