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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #720 on: April 12, 2021, 05:01:32 AM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #724 on: April 28, 2021, 05:05:53 PM »
Yeah that CEO went too far.

Ye, he's an idiot, but do we know what happened before the video started? All I see in the video is the videographer saying insults and him agreeing.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #725 on: May 02, 2021, 07:38:57 AM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #727 on: May 02, 2021, 05:30:10 PM »
https://twitter.com/robinmonotti2/status/1388219981708550149

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #728 on: May 02, 2021, 07:08:00 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #729 on: May 02, 2021, 07:28:47 PM »
Again, it is the horseshoe theory in full force.
So liberalism is as much a mental disorder as conservatism is?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #730 on: May 02, 2021, 07:52:44 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #731 on: May 02, 2021, 08:37:43 PM »
So liberalism is as much a mental disorder as conservatism is?
Of course. Anytime someone takes a partisan side or serves no purpose other than to distort the truth.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #732 on: May 02, 2021, 11:04:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/robinmonotti2/status/1388219981708550149

*up to $5,000

Anyone have the bill language so that we can see what has to happen for the fine to be so high?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #733 on: May 03, 2021, 12:04:59 AM »
*up to $5,000

Anyone have the bill language so that we can see what has to happen for the fine to be so high?
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/?Tab=BillText

381.00316 COVID-19 vaccine documentation.—
1122 (1) A business entity, as defined in s. 768.38 to include
1123 any business operating in this state, may not require patrons or
1124 customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19
1125 vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry
1126 upon, or service from the business operations in this state.
1127 This subsection does not otherwise restrict businesses from
1128 instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or
1129 controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
1130 (2) A governmental entity as defined in s. 768.38 may not
1131 require persons to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19
1132 vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry
1133 upon, or service from the governmental entity’s operations in
1134 this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict
1135 governmental entities from instituting screening protocols
1136 consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued
1137 guidance to protect public health.
1138 (3) An educational institution as defined in s. 768.38 may
1139 not require students or residents to provide any documentation
1140 certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery for
1141 attendance or enrollment, or to gain access to, entry upon, or
1142 service from such educational institution in this state. This
1143 subsection does not otherwise restrict educational institutions
1144 from instituting screening protocols consistent with
1145 authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to
1146 protect public health.
1147 (4) The department may impose a fine not to exceed $5,000
1148 per violation.
1149 (5) This section does not apply to a health care provider
1150 as defined in s. 768.38; a service provider licensed or
1151 certified under s. 393.17, part III of chapter 401, or part IV
1152 of chapter 468; or a provider with an active health care clinic
1153 exemption under s. 400.9935.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #734 on: May 03, 2021, 12:08:33 AM »

And it seems this was stricken in its entirety from the bill before it landed on the governors desk.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #735 on: May 03, 2021, 01:41:25 PM »
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/?Tab=BillText

 not to exceed $5,000

As I said. Anyone know if there are other such laws (that limit the fine to $5000), and if so how much the fine is in those case?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #736 on: May 03, 2021, 03:38:46 PM »
As I said. Anyone know if there are other such laws (that limit the fine to $5000), and if so how much the fine is in those case?
A Class B or C misdemeanor not resulting in death or an infraction.

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So a business entity which requires proof of vaccination or antibodies is to be treated by the State as if they are committing a misdemeanor and shall be fined up to $5,000. Instead of a list of questions, do you think you could provide an answer as to how on earth this isn’t completely insane (aside from almost certainly being unconstitutional and definitely immoral)?

Reminds me of the right of bakeries to bake certain cakes..
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #737 on: May 03, 2021, 04:43:22 PM »
Do you think you could provide an answer as to how on earth this isn’t completely insane (aside from almost certainly being unconstitutional and definitely immoral)?

Sure. I think that conservatives are struggling with the realization that big business is just as much a threat to freedom as big government is. It will take some thought and debate to properly calibrate the reaction, and this is an example of going to far.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #738 on: May 13, 2021, 08:32:57 AM »
Sure. I think that conservatives are struggling with the realization that big business is just as much a threat to freedom as big government is. It will take some thought and debate to properly calibrate the reaction, and this is an example of going to far.

Polarization leads to both sides taking it too far.  You can’t play tug-of-war and play nicely together at the same time.
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