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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #944 on: December 18, 2022, 11:27:00 AM »
isn't this discrimination?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #945 on: December 19, 2022, 11:53:50 PM »
National Review: Dr. Levine Pulls Up the Ladder behind Him.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/dr-levine-pulls-up-the-ladder-behind-him/
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #946 on: December 20, 2022, 08:31:34 AM »
National Review: Dr. Levine Pulls Up the Ladder behind Him.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/dr-levine-pulls-up-the-ladder-behind-him/

He has a history of only looking out for his family... He pulled his mother out of the nursing home she was in to keep her safe from his own rules.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #947 on: December 22, 2022, 10:54:01 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2150335/termite-lady-i-stand-behind-my-words-i-dont-like-religious-people.html

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The director of the B’Tzalmo organization Shai Glick submitted a letter to the Justice Ministry and the Police Commissioner, demanding that a police investigation be opened against the woman. “If something like this had happened to a Jewish family abroad, the whole world would have been rightfully upset and it would have been called an antisemitic event for all intents and purposes,” he wrote. “This is no less serious, and on the contrary, it is an extremely dangerous phenomenon.”

“I urge you to take action with the Israel Police so that this incident will be investigated very seriously and the attacker will be brought to justice. We can’t allow children to feel rejected and unwanted only because of their religion and beliefs. In addition, I urge you to act to pass the law that defines harm to Chareidim on the basis of their religion as racism, as well to file a civil lawsuit against that racist woman.”

Since when is being racist or saying hateful remarks a crime? It might be deplorable, but what crime was committed that they want the police to investigate and justice to be served?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #948 on: December 22, 2022, 11:09:08 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2150335/termite-lady-i-stand-behind-my-words-i-dont-like-religious-people.html

Since when is being racist or saying hateful remarks a crime? It might be deplorable, but what crime was committed that they want the police to investigate and justice to be served?
Possibly verbal assault?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #949 on: December 22, 2022, 11:40:07 PM »
Possibly verbal assault?

I don't think verbal assault is a crime unless it's a threat of physical harm. Harassment can be a crime. The definition and constitutionality of what constitutes harassment can be nebulous.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #950 on: December 22, 2022, 11:43:12 PM »
This is the country where every single person has at some point in their lives done things (not like it really matters - they can put you away for nothing too) that a creative prosector can charge as 10 different crimes, and nobody knows all of the myriad laws and ordinances and legal codes. We are the world's incarceration capital.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #951 on: December 22, 2022, 11:47:23 PM »
I don't think verbal assault is a crime unless it's a threat of physical harm.
If an average person feels threaten then it would be a crime.
Was she saying this to the children?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #952 on: December 22, 2022, 11:59:23 PM »
If an average person feels threaten then it would be a crime.
Was she saying this to the children?

She basically said that I spent a fortune on my house, and I don't want you or your type coming from your areas to play in our playgrounds and infest our environment. I find your type disgusting, and all you do is endlessly breed like insects. It's bad enough what you've done to your own communities - don't destroy our property values by doing the same to our neighborhoods where we invested a lot of money to get a pleasant and serene environment.

She didn't have any actual rights to the area or to be telling the children to leave. There was zero basis for her to do that (it was a public playground). I don't hear her threatening any harm. There were certainly racist/hateful components to her telling them to leave, which she was pretty open about. Is there any legal issue with what she did?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #953 on: December 23, 2022, 12:04:22 AM »
She basically said that I spent a fortune on my house, and I don't want you or your type coming from your areas to play in our playgrounds and infest our environment. I find your type disgusting, and all you do is endlessly breed like insects. It's bad enough what you've done to your own communities - don't destroy our property values by doing the same to our neighborhoods where we invested a lot of money to get a pleasant and serene environment.

She didn't have any actual rights to the area or to be telling the children to leave. There was zero basis for her to do that (it was a public playground). I don't hear her threatening any harm. There were certainly racist/hateful components to her telling them to leave, which she was pretty open about. Is there any legal issue with what she did?

If she yelled that at kids then it's worse than just disgusting free speech, frightening kids should be a punishable offence.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #954 on: December 23, 2022, 12:13:55 AM »
If she yelled that at kids then it's worse than just disgusting free speech, frightening kids should be a punishable offence.

She actually sounded fairly calm on the video, in my opinion. (I've gotten yelled at worse for asking a store owner for a discount or for not tailgating the vehicle in front of me at a red light.) Upset, but not to the degree that I would think that anyone should fear for their physical well-being. Not quite what I'd generally call an enraged diatribe. She sounds like accused them of damaging park property and being a general nuisance. Hateful, but I didn't hear threatening.

This article has video.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2150086/watch-youre-like-termites-all-you-do-is-have-children-woman-attacks-chareidi-girls-in-park.html

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #955 on: December 23, 2022, 12:15:31 AM »
Is there any legal issue with what she did?
The way you described it, no.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #956 on: December 23, 2022, 12:29:54 AM »
Let's say...
When someone agrees you should stop.  ;)
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #957 on: December 26, 2022, 06:50:02 PM »



Just a tad nauseating 

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #958 on: December 26, 2022, 06:53:37 PM »


Just a tad nauseating 

The trash tag is appropriate
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