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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #960 on: January 12, 2023, 08:18:34 AM »


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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #961 on: January 16, 2023, 11:29:13 AM »
Portillo's Guests,

Starting today, January 16th, we're going Cashless in the Drive Thru. This means that we will no longer accept cash in our drive thru.
We will still accept cash if you visit us inside the restaurant.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #962 on: January 16, 2023, 11:32:38 AM »
Portillo's Guests,

Starting today, January 16th, we're going Cashless in the Drive Thru. This means that we will no longer accept cash in our drive thru.
We will still accept cash if you visit us inside the restaurant.
Why would the drive through be different?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #963 on: January 16, 2023, 11:35:20 AM »
Why would the drive through be different?
They take the orders in person outside. The line is so long they have 3-5 people taking orders.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #964 on: January 16, 2023, 11:35:32 AM »
Why would the drive through be different?
Probably don't want to hold up the line, or, come to think of it, prevent actual hold-ups?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #967 on: January 17, 2023, 07:10:49 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #968 on: January 24, 2023, 10:51:27 PM »
Portillo's Guests,

Starting today, January 16th, we're going Cashless in the Drive Thru. This means that we will no longer accept cash in our drive thru.
We will still accept cash if you visit us inside the restaurant.
https://www.audacy.com/wxrt/news/local/portillos-robbery-suspect-held-on-usd100-000-bond-officials
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #969 on: February 20, 2023, 10:25:06 AM »
Just an excerpt from the news. Don't you think taking a very classic author and changing some words for modern sensibilities is going just a bit too far? Even if you do disgagree with what people believed in the past, can't people read books while understanding historical context? I mean, changing cloud-men to cloud-people? Really?

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #970 on: February 20, 2023, 10:32:01 AM »
Just an excerpt from the news. Don't you think taking a very classic author and changing some words for modern sensibilities is going just a bit too far? Even if you do disgagree with what people believed in the past, can't people read books while understanding historical context? I mean, changing cloud-men to cloud-people? Really?
Interesting question. Here is another one.  :)
Should it be change if it makes the historical context more accurate?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #971 on: February 20, 2023, 10:45:02 AM »
Interesting question. Here is another one.  :)
Should it be change if it makes the historical context more accurate?
Good point.
As someone who studies original religious texts that are thousands of years old, I'm a bit of a purist. I prefer to see the wrong thing, even if it is an outright mistake, rather than allow my text to be edited every few hundred years by people who think they know better.
So I think no. But that's just my opinion, right?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #972 on: February 20, 2023, 10:56:06 AM »
As someone who studies original religious texts that are thousands of years old, I'm a bit of a purist.
Since you went there.  :)
The only purist we have is G-d. Man is corrupt. Everything he has touched has been corrupted in one way or another. That is why I don't trust any text written by man. Instead of trust but verify if should be verify then trust.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #973 on: February 20, 2023, 11:16:54 AM »
Since you went there.  :)
The only purist we have is G-d. Man is corrupt. Everything he has touched has been corrupted in one way or another. That is why I don't trust any text written by man. Instead of trust but verify if should be verify then trust.
This is not at all a Jewish view
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #974 on: February 20, 2023, 11:29:33 AM »
Since you went there.  :)
The only purist we have is G-d. Man is corrupt. Everything he has touched has been corrupted in one way or another. That is why I don't trust any text written by man. Instead of trust but verify if should be verify then trust.
"Man is corrupt?" Man is prone to corruption, but man has been given the tools by God to avoid it - in some rare cases, completely. There's an important difference and I strive for accuracy when I can.

I don't trust text written by man, either. Unfortunately, there are enough examples of well-meaning corrections that nevertheless come from prejudices or personal opinions that may or may not be shared by the target audience - much less malicious changes coming from people that have no business making those changes.
My opinion is that changes to Dahl are the latter. But I'd like to think that my "hands off" shita would apply regardless.

Lastly, regarding trust: in my circles, you often find that groups of people try to shove their opinions down the throat of others. (They are usually well-meaning. Sometimes they aren't, but mostly, they are. It isn't relevant when they are so mistaken, though.) Often, they will use some sort of quote from a Rabbi who is more universally accepted, even by me, to prove their opinions are correct. Do you think I lay down and surrender when they do that? No. I didn't verify that the Rabbi said what they say he said. Should I assume their quote is correct just because they say so? I have my own Rabbis (who are students of the bigger Rabbi), and I leave it to them to interpret those instructions (or to say that they personally heard the opposite). Even when it comes to my Rabbi, Rabbi Berkovits, I will often hear others quoting him in some way that does not sit well with me. Naturally, I try to confirm, and Rabbi Berkovits denies it. (Sometimes he can even explain why they went wrong, but often the message is so warped that the explanation eludes him.)

So I don't trust most people. Luckily, I am satisfied with the circle of people who have proven that they deserve my trust. There are people who, in my experience, have overcome their desires to serve only themselves enough that they have a clear, unbiased view of the world. (They all deny this, but that is part of the qualification.)

That's also why I don't want people messing with the text just because they think so.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #975 on: February 20, 2023, 11:32:15 AM »
This is not at all a Jewish view
I agree, it is a human view.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #976 on: February 20, 2023, 11:33:16 AM »
"Man is corrupt?" Man is prone to corruption, but man has been given the tools by God to avoid it - in some rare cases,
...and who would that be?
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #977 on: February 20, 2023, 11:35:24 AM »
...and who would that be?
People in each generation who work hard on it. Even regular people don't necessarily corrupt every single thing they do.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #978 on: February 20, 2023, 11:38:28 AM »
People in each generation who work hard on it. Even regular people don't necessarily corrupt every single thing they do.
I am not disagreeing with that but that isn't the point I made.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #979 on: February 20, 2023, 11:47:42 AM »
...and who would that be?
You know who we would nominate for this. You don't even need to ask.

Myself? No. I am too self-centered. But our sages tell us, "If your Rav is similar to an angel, seek Torah from him." We don't accept anyone else without any reservations, but we do accept our Rabbis to that extent - without ANY reservations. I would think this would be obvious to you (ie, that we believe this to be the case), even if you do not agree.
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