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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1080 on: October 01, 2023, 11:56:51 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1081 on: October 02, 2023, 02:09:28 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1082 on: October 03, 2023, 05:00:46 PM »
Usually, you need to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Now they are bringing their own rope.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1083 on: November 28, 2023, 08:21:29 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1084 on: December 27, 2023, 01:56:38 PM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1085 on: December 27, 2023, 02:14:58 PM »

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1086 on: December 28, 2023, 02:51:46 PM »
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Freedom is slavery. I gave a shiur on the definition of cherus around Pesach time. The gist of it was that the less choice you have, the more free you feel. [...]

I think that might be better expressed as "Slavery is freedom" (or "Only a
slave to the truth is free," as Rabbi Akiva Tatz quotes from the Chazon Ish.)

However, if we suggest that experienced freedom is in inverse proportion to one's freedom of choice,
it follows that actual slaves and prisoners should feel the most free, which I'm confident they don't.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1087 on: December 29, 2023, 04:31:43 AM »
...However, if we suggest that experienced freedom is in inverse proportion to one's freedom of choice,
it follows that actual slaves and prisoners should feel the most free, which I'm confident they don't.
It is certainly true that actual slaves and prisoners don't usually feel free. Narrowing of options only creates a feeling of freedom with a certain (not small) amount of Emunah, making this yesod somewhat theoretical.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1088 on: February 01, 2024, 06:59:21 AM »
The attacks on Ilhan Omar over her remarks about advocating for Somalia sound very similar to the "dual-loyalty attacks on Jewish politicians who speak in support of Israel.

Disclaimer: I did not see the whole text of her speech, only quotes in articles on (right-wing) websites.


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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1089 on: February 01, 2024, 07:57:19 AM »
The attacks on Ilhan Omar over her remarks about advocating for Somalia sound very similar to the "dual-loyalty attacks on Jewish politicians who speak in support of Israel.

Disclaimer: I did not see the whole text of her speech, only quotes in articles on (right-wing) websites.

I didnít see anything but your post, but youíre comparing dual loyalty to 2 close allies to loyalty of a 3rd world country by an America- hating terrorist.
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1090 on: February 01, 2024, 11:11:00 AM »
I didnít see anything but your post

She is being attacked for saying that she will be an advocate in Congress for the interests of Somalia.

Some, including Ron DeSantis, are saying that she should be kicked out of Congress, have her citizenship revoked and be deported.

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1752351036914667642

youíre comparing dual loyalty to 2 close allies to loyalty of a 3rd world country

My problem is with the accusations that advocating for the interests of a different country is inherently "disloyal" to the US, which is what the antisemites say about anyone who expresses support for Israel. I don't see anyone claiming that she said she would advocate for Somalia over the US (or in a situation where their interests conflict).

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1091 on: February 01, 2024, 11:29:22 AM »
She is being attacked for saying that she will be an advocate in Congress for the interests of Somalia.

Some, including Ron DeSantis, are saying that she should be kicked out of Congress, have her citizenship revoked and be deported.

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1752351036914667642

My problem is with the accusations that advocating for the interests of a different country is inherently "disloyal" to the US, which is what the antisemites say about anyone who expresses support for Israel. I don't see anyone claiming that she said she would advocate for Somalia over the US (or in a situation where their interests conflict).
In the tweet you quoted she said she will represent Somalian interests first and the US is not mentioned. I take it that's what got people triggered.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1092 on: February 01, 2024, 03:31:03 PM »
She is being attacked for saying that she will be an advocate in Congress for the interests of Somalia.

Some, including Ron DeSantis, are saying that she should be kicked out of Congress, have her citizenship revoked and be deported.

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1752351036914667642

My problem is with the accusations that advocating for the interests of a different country is inherently "disloyal" to the US, which is what the antisemites say about anyone who expresses support for Israel. I don't see anyone claiming that she said she would advocate for Somalia over the US (or in a situation where their interests conflict).
just watched the video. Seems to be taken out of context.

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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1093 on: February 28, 2024, 10:26:10 PM »
Disclaimer: pretty graphic description of how an abortion is done

I was shocked when I saw this today. Not by Senator Kennedy's depiction, but by the fact that the Dems are calling his words "shameless" and "inflammatory" for talking about how an abortion is done, while they are defending the actual ACT OF DOING the abortion! This is such a sad view on how the liberals created a narrative where it's great to kill babies, but its shameful to talk about it.

The clip is just his questioning. It's worth clicking on the C-Span link and seeing how the next senator apologizes for him (1:09:30), and how at the end a witness calls it fearmongering (1:46:20).

 
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1094 on: March 06, 2024, 08:58:53 AM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1095 on: March 13, 2024, 05:54:46 AM »
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Re: Are we going too far?
« Reply #1099 on: April 17, 2024, 04:58:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1780682015425097742
True, although there are plenty of MAGA wackos out there by now. Don't know if she is defining them as Republicans.