Are we going too far?

[yelped]

What is the too far part?

The president of the US besmirching the USA as being racist.

[CountValentine]

The president of the US besmirching the USA as being racist.

We are racist. 

[yelped]

We are racist. 

-1.

[DaasTora]

We are racist. 

Agree. Raising blacks above whites is definitely racism.

[Yehuda57]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/greg-abbott-pardoning-killer-of-black-lives-matter-protester-sends-chilling-message/ar-BB1mEEFu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a7a0d2ffb7fa49dea1eccf1917876e7d&ei=114
Greg Abbott pardoning killer of Black Lives Matter protester sends chilling message

I'm sure the NRA was up in arms (intended) that a a man was killed engaging in his second amendment right, and is now protesting the pardon, right?

[zh cohen]

I'm sure the NRA was up in arms (intended) that a a man was killed engaging in his second amendment right, and is now protesting the pardon, right?

There is a second amendment right to point a gun at someone to get them to do what you want?

[CountValentine]

There is a second amendment right to point a gun at someone to get them to do what you want?

No and then pulling the trigger and killing someone is murder, not self-defense.
You don't parole animals like that.

[zh cohen]

No and then pulling the trigger and killing someone is murder, not self-defense.
You don't parole animals like that.

I think you missed my point. The guy who was just pardoned shot and killed a guy who was pointing a gun at him and demanding that he lower his car window.

[Yehuda57]

There is a second amendment right to point a gun at someone to get them to do what you want?

I'm not well versed in the case by any stretch, but he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, and the pardon is not being made after seeing new evidence or even reviewing the evidence

[CountValentine]

I think you missed my point. The guy who was just pardoned shot and killed a guy who was pointing a gun at him and demanding that he lower his car window.

Not going to argue the case with you but the jury didn't see it that way with the evidence that was presented.

[CountValentine]

I'm not well versed in the case by any stretch, but he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, and the pardon is not being made after seeing new evidence or even reviewing the evidence

What he did is replaced his personal opinion with the jury's verdict. He didn't even try and use a pretzel.
This is dangerous to give anyone that power. If a MAGA Gov will do it just think what a MAGA in the WH can/will do.

[zh cohen]

the pardon is not being made after seeing new evidence or even reviewing the evidence

False. In Texas a pardon can only be given after a recommendation from the parole board, which reviewed the evidence and unanimously recommended the pardon.

[CountValentine]

False. In Texas a pardon can only be given after a recommendation from the parole board, which reviewed the evidence and unanimously recommended the pardon.

He appointed the parole board. He wanted this done before the guy was even sentenced.
“Texas has one of the strongest ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive District Attorney. I thank the Board for its thorough investigation, and I approve their pardon recommendation,” Abbott said.

He is saying if he feels it was self-defense it does not matter what the jury says. What country is this guy from, Russia? Do you actually want to be taking this nutjobs side?

ETA: Just to show what a lunatic this Gov is they also restored his gun rights so he can murder again!!!
Lets also not forget the fact that this guy is a known racist.

[zh cohen]

He appointed the parole board. He wanted this done before the guy was even sentenced.
“Texas has one of the strongest ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive District Attorney. I thank the Board for its thorough investigation, and I approve their pardon recommendation,” Abbott said.

He is saying if he feels it was self-defense it does not matter what the jury says. What country is this guy from, Russia? Do you actually want to be taking this nutjobs side?

This is a completely different argument than the one Yehuda57 made.

I disagree with your argument, but that is a question of opinion. (I believe that cases like these are exactly why the executive branch is given pardon power). His argument was wrong and what seems to me a perfect example of Gell-Manning amnesia.

[CountValentine]

(I believe that cases like these are exactly why the executive branch is given pardon power).

To overturn the jury's verdict? Are you being serious?
There was no new evidence. There is a process to get a new trial or have a verdict thrown out.
This isn't Russia or China. 

[zh cohen]

To overturn the jury's verdict? Are you being serious?

Yes. The purpose of the pardon power is to step in when the legal system gets to an unjust result. It certainly was never intended to give the executive the ability to reward donors, despite being used that way all to often.

What do you think the purpose of the pardon power is?

[CountValentine]

Yes. The purpose of the pardon power is to step in when the legal system gets to an unjust result. It certainly was never intended to give the executive the ability to reward donors, despite being used that way all to often.

What do you think the purpose of the pardon power is?

How did the legal system get to an unjust result in this case.
The Gov is replacing the jury's verdict with his personal opinion. That is not what a pardon is for.

[zh cohen]

How did the legal system get to an unjust result in this case.
The Gov is replacing the jury's verdict with his personal opinion. That is not what a pardon is for.

So what is a pardon for?

[CountValentine]

So what is a pardon for?

Someone receives too harsh of a sentence based on similar crimes. The Jewish meat guy comes to mind.
Someone serving 50 years of a life sentence and you feel that is enough.
There was glaring mistakes in the trial or new evidence comes to light.
The list goes on and on.
What it should not be used for is to overturn the verdict of a jury because you didn't like the decision. That is pure insanity.

I would still like to know what was unjust in the case besides the Gov's political view.

[zh cohen]

Someone receives too harsh of a sentence based on similar crimes. The Jewish meat guy comes to mind.
Someone serving 50 years of a life sentence and you feel that is enough.
There was glaring mistakes in the trial or new evidence comes to light.
The list goes on and on.

These are all examples of commutations, not pardons.