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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2020, 10:46:15 PM »
Ok but most girls willing to jump bc of yichud wouldn't spend the day with a guy under any circumstances.

We can possibly be dan lkaf zechus that they were cousins but basis for lawsuit is a bit sketchy.
I'm not saying there isn't a basis for a lawsuit, just most likely it was not because of yichud that she jumped but rather because she was a frightened 16 yr old girl (as mentioned in the suit).

Also, is there no yichud by cousins?
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #142 on: June 16, 2020, 10:52:52 PM »
I'm not saying there isn't a basis for a lawsuit, just most likely it was not because of yichud that she jumped but rather because she was a frightened 16 yr old girl (as mentioned in the suit).

Also, is there no yichud by cousins?
I think there most certainly is yichud just referencing a classic joke.

But the story can still use some clarification
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2020, 11:17:27 PM »
She was afraid of yichud so she jumped off the chair lift but had no problem going with a boy to a desserted mountain top?

I think the seperation of genders was very different in 60's then it is now, even by the ultra orthodox

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2020, 11:19:43 PM »
Very impressed that you managed to unearth this.

I just dont understand was how an "100% ultra orthodox girl spent every off day with a boy and another counselor...?

It was the 60s...

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #145 on: June 16, 2020, 11:31:41 PM »


I was told that the following took place with the parent of a friend of mine be a few decades ago. The boy was supposed to go out with this girl who he wasn’t thrilled about... He figured he’ll just act over the top and get the first girl to reject him...
Not as uncommon as you make it sound.

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #146 on: June 16, 2020, 11:55:34 PM »
I think the seperation of genders was very different in 60's then it is now, even by the ultra orthodox
It was the 60s...

I was going to quote @Mikes@Micro’s question and just answer one word: 1963
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2020, 12:07:29 AM »
I was going to quote @Mikes@Micro’s question and just answer one word: 1963

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2020, 05:42:17 AM »
Very impressed that you managed to unearth this.

I just dont understand was how an "100% ultra orthodox girl spent every off day with a boy and another counselor...?
a nice way of saying she was dating at the time

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2020, 10:30:17 PM »
Very impressed that you managed to unearth this.
This case is studied in business law.

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Re: Dating Stories
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2020, 10:54:04 PM »
This case is studied in business law.
Just curious... what about it is studied? What's learned from this?
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2020, 11:08:14 PM »
Here's a great story, printed in Sefer Mishpitei Hatorah on Bava Kama:

A boy and girl go out on a few dates before the girl eventually dumps the boy. Enraged, he plots revenge on her. He goes over to another boy whom he dislikes, and 'redd's him the girl, lying that she gave her approval. The second boy does some research and agrees to go out. The first boy gleefully tells him that a date has been set up, when in truth, the girl was never contacted about him at all.

The second boy shows up at the girl's house, and the surprised father quickly surmises the entire story. However, he was impressed by the boy's manner, and he suggests that his daughter meet him the following night.

They go out... and get engaged!

Story is not over yet! The first boy shows up and demands Shadchanus!!!


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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2020, 11:08:43 PM »
Might want to fix that typo...
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #154 on: June 17, 2020, 11:17:16 PM »
Here's a great story, printed in Sefer Mishpitei Hatorah on Bava Kama:

A boy and girl go out on a few dates before the girl eventually dumps the boy. Enraged, he plots revenge on her. He goes over to another boy whom he dislikes, and 'redd's him the girl, lying that she gave her approval. The second boy does some research and agrees to go out. The first boy gleefully tells him that a date has been set up, when in truth, the girl was never contacted about him at all.

The second boy shows up at the girl's house, and the surprised father quickly surmises the entire story. However, he was impressed by the boy's manner, and he suggests that his daughter meet him the following night.

They go out... and get engaged!

Story is not over yet! The first boy shows up and demands Shadchanus!!!
The sefer has a few more great stories, in the subsequent three simanim:

Story 2:

Shadchan suggests a shidduch and they go out. In the interim, he gets an offer from a rich guy for top $$ for finding a shidduch for his daughter, so he tells both sides that the other side says no and goes ahead and redds the boy - who is now available - to the rich guy's daughter.

They go out and it flops. A short while later, the parents of the original boy and girl meet, and in the course of the conversation it becomes apparent that none of them said no, and it was the shadchan who made up the story. They decide to resume the shudduch, and the boy and girl get engaged.

Now the shadchan shows up and demands shadchanus...

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #155 on: June 17, 2020, 11:21:54 PM »
The sefer has a few more great stories, in the subsequent three simanim:

Story 2:

Shadchan suggests a shidduch and they go out. In the interim, he gets an offer from a rich guy for top $$ for finding a shidduch for his daughter, so he tells both sides that the other side says no and goes ahead and redds the boy - who is now available - to the rich guy's daughter.

They go out and it flops. A short while later, the parents of the original boy and girl meet, and in the course of the conversation it becomes apparent that none of them said no, and it was the shadchan who made up the story. They decide to resume the shudduch, and the boy and girl get engaged.

Now the shadchan shows up and demands shadchanus...
Story 4 (number 3 is not that funny, so I skipped it.)

A boy redds a shidduch for his friend, but refuses to serve as an intermediary between the two families. Wishing to pursue the shidduch but not having any viable shadchan, the boy himself calls the girl's family and poses as a shadchan.

The shidduch progresses this way, with the boy faking another identity to be the shadchan through the entire duration of the shidduch process, when they get engaged.

At the vort, the girl's father hands the boy cash and tells him to pass it along to the shadchan. Should he keep it? Must he return it and risk exposing his act?
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #156 on: June 17, 2020, 11:23:06 PM »
Story 4 (number 3 is not that funny, so I skipped it.)

A boy redds a shidduch for his friend, but refuses to serve as an intermediary between the two families. Wishing to pursue the shidduch but not having any viable shadchan, the boy calls the girl's family and poses as a shadchan.

The shidduch progresses this way, with the boy faking another identity to be the shadchan through the entire duration of the shidduch process, when they get engaged.

At the vort, the girl's father hands the boy cash and tells him to pass it along to the shadchan. Should he keep it? Must he return it and risk exposing his act?
If they had gmail thay would've been so much easier
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #157 on: June 17, 2020, 11:24:35 PM »
For anyone reading these stories who is not familiar with the terminology:

Shidduch=match
Shadchan=matchmaker
Shadchanus=money costumarily given to the Shadchan after the engagement
Redd=suggest a shidduch

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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #158 on: June 17, 2020, 11:30:38 PM »
A relative of mine had a beshow (in the 70s) without even realizing she was on a beshow.

She was in seminary in Israel (uncommon at the time) and was invited to a Yerushalmy relative for שבת. They decided that it was their responsibility to marry her off and step in as surrogate parents (who were in America, and had no idea).

So, in middle of the שבת day סעודה, the downstairs neighbors, a chasidishe bucher and his parents come in and join them at the meal. They are all shmoozing for a while (she doesn't think anything of it because in her american community, family friends is a normal thing). The two couples withdraw into the kitchen, and she is still shmoozing with the bucher. Eventually, he asks her if she wants to go onto the mirpeset, and they shmooz for a bit there. (she still doesn't think anything of it, because, again even among the frum in America then, it wasn't taboo) The family leaves and they continue the rest of shabbos as if nothing happened.

Motzai Shabbos, right after havdala, there's a knock on the door. It's the family from downstairs. And they want to sign the tenaim. She's so terrified that she grabs her bag and runs all the way back to the seminary dorm (in a neighborhood that's pretty far) collapses into her bed and cries into her pillow.
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Re: Dating Stories
« Reply #159 on: June 17, 2020, 11:36:47 PM »
And with the international long distance rates of the 70s think about how long it wouldve taken to talk to her parents
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