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Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?

I'm considering moving elsewhere in the US due to recent events
14 (23.7%)
I'm considering making aliya due to recent events
11 (18.6%)
I will be moving elsewhere in the US due to recent events
1 (1.7%)
I will be making aliya due to recent events
1 (1.7%)
No plans to move anywhere
32 (54.2%)

Total Members Voted: 56

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2020, 03:11:07 PM »
I'd say those same numbers apply for becoming "more religious"
Interesting that you place the words more religious in quotes.
That seems to indicate that you don't view becoming more religious a possibility.
Why would that be?

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2020, 03:29:43 PM »
Interesting that you place the words more religious in quotes.
That seems to indicate that you don't view becoming more religious a possibility.
Why would that be?
I was actually trying to say I'm referring to a perceived understanding of what "more religious" means, and not necessarily does that actually mean one is "more religious". It's a topic I'm not well versed in, but I assume there is room for pushback, to which I'm looking to clarify that I'm not discussing that.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2020, 03:41:46 PM »
If I had to guess, I would say the odds of a child becoming 10% less religious are greater in the US, but the odds of a child becoming 100% less religious are greater in Israel.

Amazingly similar to the argument made by many Jews after the pogroms of 1905, who felt it was better to stay in Russia than move to America.  I would say the odds are less than 10% that they have living descendants today, religious or non.
(No source for these numbers, just going for literary parallelism here)

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2020, 03:47:11 PM »
Amazingly similar to the argument made by many Jews after the pogroms of 1905, who felt it was better to stay in Russia than move to America.  I would say the odds are less than 10% that they have living descendants today, religious or non.
(No source for these numbers, just going for literary parallelism here)

Yes but what's your point? There are times when people missed the signal to leave, but there are also times when people left too early.

 בספר דברי הימים מוזכר האירוע :" וַהֲרָגוּם אַנְשֵׁי-גַת הַנּוֹלָדִים בָּאָרֶץ כִּי יָרְדוּ לָקַחַת אֶת-מִקְנֵיהֶם" [1] ורש"י מבאר:"בני אפרים. שיצאו ממצרים בזרוע לפני הקץ ובטחו בגבורתם ובחציהם וסופם הפכו לנוס ביום קרב כמפורש בדברי הימים והרגום אנשי גת הנולדים בארץ"

Jews in Israel are far more threatened that Jews in the US now. It's wishful fantasy that being in the Jewish homeland guarantees safety. 
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2020, 04:18:13 PM »
Yes but what's your point? There are times when people missed the signal to leave, but there are also times when people left too early.

 בספר דברי הימים מוזכר האירוע :" וַהֲרָגוּם אַנְשֵׁי-גַת הַנּוֹלָדִים בָּאָרֶץ כִּי יָרְדוּ לָקַחַת אֶת-מִקְנֵיהֶם" [1] ורש"י מבאר:"בני אפרים. שיצאו ממצרים בזרוע לפני הקץ ובטחו בגבורתם ובחציהם וסופם הפכו לנוס ביום קרב כמפורש בדברי הימים והרגום אנשי גת הנולדים בארץ"

Jews in Israel are far more threatened that Jews in the US now. It's wishful fantasy that being in the Jewish homeland guarantees safety.
Right, agreed.
My point was only that I don't see any evidence that we can accurately predict the religious observance of our descendants. 

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2020, 04:28:12 PM »
Right, agreed.
My point was only that I don't see any evidence that we can accurately predict the religious observance of our descendants.
That's fair, but we do have an obligation to act with respect to reasonable assumptions, which include prior performance.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2020, 12:01:15 AM »
Was talking to a family in Crown Heights in February and they were saying how they would never leave CH, despite having 4 kids in a tiny apartment, as nothing can ever compete with NYC. Why would anyone want to live anywhere else?

Just learned that they're coming to CLE tomorrow to go house hunting ;D
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2020, 12:07:13 AM »
Was talking to a family in Crown Heights in February and they were saying how they would never leave CH, despite having 4 kids in a tiny apartment, as nothing can ever compete with NYC. Why would anyone want to live anywhere else?

Just learned that they're coming to CLE tomorrow to go house hunting ;D
So......Aliya means to cle?

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2020, 12:08:54 AM »
So......Aliya means to cle?
I almost made the same mistake as you just now… The thread title says moving or Aliya :)
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2020, 12:17:46 AM »
Was talking to a family in Crown Heights in February and they were saying how they would never leave CH, despite having 4 kids in a tiny apartment, as nothing can ever compete with NYC. Why would anyone want to live anywhere else?

Just learned that they're coming to CLE tomorrow to go house hunting ;D
And their reasoning?

For me there are 2 things that keep me put. One is my kids education and the other is being next to the place I call home. While the former might change as my kids grow (still many years in the works) I don't see the other reason changing. Maybe if we're still in golus and I'm no longer able to live independently, I would move, but other than that I can't think of a move happening.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2020, 12:20:45 AM »
And their reasoning?

For me there are 2 things that keep me put. One is my kids education and the other is being next to the place I call home. While the former might change as my kids grow (still many years in the works) I don't see the other reason changing. Maybe if we're still in golus and I'm no longer able to live independently, I would move, but other than that I can't think of a move happening.
...and now he’s house hunting in Pittsburgh  ;)
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2020, 12:24:28 AM »
And their reasoning?

For me there are 2 things that keep me put. One is my kids education and the other is being next to the place I call home. While the former might change as my kids grow (still many years in the works) I don't see the other reason changing. Maybe if we're still in golus and I'm no longer able to live independently, I would move, but other than that I can't think of a move happening.
I haven't asked directly, but between the COVID lockdown in a small space without a yard and the rioting and the fireworks, the past few months have likely taken a toll on their well-being. I'd imagine the fear of what's next and calls for police defunding are also part of it.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2020, 12:27:24 AM »
I haven't asked directly, but between the COVID lockdown in a small space without a yard and the rioting and the fireworks, the past few months have likely taken a toll on their well-being. I'd imagine the fear of what's next and calls for police defunding are also part of it.
And what made him look at CLE in particular?

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 12:32:48 AM »
CoL as a WFH employee.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2020, 09:20:17 AM »
And their reasoning?

For me there are 2 things that keep me put. One is my kids education and the other is being next to the place I call home. While the former might change as my kids grow (still many years in the works) I don't see the other reason changing. Maybe if we're still in golus and I'm no longer able to live independently, I would move, but other than that I can't think of a move happening.
Are you suggesting that kids can't get a proper education outside of NY?

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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 11:26:14 AM »
Are you suggesting that kids can't get a proper education outside of NY?
It is tough to find elementary schools outside of NYC that don't teach secular studies 🙈
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 11:27:20 AM »
Are you suggesting that kids can't get a proper education outside of NY?

Never did. But I'm extremely happy with my kids schools (and there are definitely more options here) so why would I want to try anything else.

Though I'm sure EY has plenty of education options. And this thread is about making aliya vs staying put.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2020, 11:27:47 AM »
It is tough to find elementary schools outside of NYC that don't teach secular studies 🙈

But plenty of those in EY.
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2020, 04:00:31 PM »
Option of moving to a different country?
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Re: Have Recent Events Made You Consider Moving Or Making Aliya?
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2020, 08:19:11 AM »
DDFers don’t take buses so we have another impediment to Aliyah :)