Author Topic: When To Keep Shabbos In Hawaii, Antarctica, Svalbard, Or In Orbit?  (Read 1064 times)

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prelim itin:
sunday- arrive relax
monday- relax, drive around west coast
tuesday- leave for RTH, stay overnight in Hana
wednesday- do backend hana stuff like bamboo forest
thursday- relax, (whale watch again? snorkeling?), Haleakala for sunset
friday- head to HNL
thoughts?

Don't know if you hold by various Shabbat opinions
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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2020, 02:26:02 PM »
Don't know if you don't by various Shabbat opinions
If OP is flying on Friday, I assume he's not doing 2 days of shabbos.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2020, 02:58:30 PM »
If OP is flying on Friday, I assume he's not doing 2 days of shabbos.
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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2020, 11:25:35 AM »
if I can only be there from Sunday till Thursday since my ruv wont let me be there for shabbes should I still go or its to lees ?

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2020, 11:26:22 AM »
if I can only be there from Sunday till Thursday since my ruv wont let me be there for shabbes should I still go or its to lees ?
Spend shabbos in LA and you're fine.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2020, 11:32:59 PM »

that was my original plan but @Something Fishy said it's not a good idea. will still feel rushed.
I disagree. Most of the things to do are on the way to Hana on the northern part. Additionally there is what to do the second day in Hana and slightly past Hana on the way to the south. After that, it is mainly just long stretches of highway and scenery but should have plenty of time to not feel rushed and still make it to Haleakala for sunset.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2020, 02:28:48 AM »
if I can only be there from Sunday till Thursday since my ruv wont let me be there for shabbes should I still go or its to lees ?
No offense, but the
most Chumradig psak possible is, to just keep 2 days Shabbos.
Saying don't go is another way of saying I don't know the answer, and/or don't want/not capable to research the subject...

I would say that a nice big chunk of Dayanim haven't learned the subject thouroly, and some are even clueless.

Find a Ruv that you respect and is familiar to the matter, and ask for his opinion, and if he says to do 2 days, it's not that bad at all, as a matter of fact I think it's really unique and enjoyable.

Bottom line, whatever you end up doing, Maui is a stuuuning place, so just make sure to enjoy all the time you get.

I just had to get this off my chest...
#sighofrelief :)
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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2020, 05:53:09 AM »
No offense, but the
most Chumradig psak possible is, to just keep 2 days Shabbos.
Saying don't go is another way of saying I don't know the answer, and/or don't want/not capable to research the subject...

I would say that a nice big chunk of Dayanim haven't learned the subject thouroly, and some are even clueless.

Find a Ruv that you respect and is familiar to the matter, and ask for his opinion, and if he says to do 2 days, it's not that bad at all, as a matter of fact I think it's really unique and enjoyable.

Bottom line, whatever you end up doing, Maui is a stuuuning place, so just make sure to enjoy all the time you get.

I just had to get this off my chest...
#sighofrelief :)
What about tefillin? If it's shabbos, then they are muktzeh, if it's Chol, then it's a bitul aseih to not. Same thing with nussach Tefillah, Kiddush, havdella.

I'm not saying the issue is insurmountable (see Safek over Yom Tov sheni for a Ben Chutz LaAeretz in Israel or vice virsa) but it's not so obvious that 2 full days of shabbos is always the most machmir.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2020, 07:27:18 AM »
What about tefillin? If it's shabbos, then they are muktzeh, if it's Chol, then it's a bitul aseih to not. Same thing with nussach Tefillah, Kiddush, havdella.

I'm not saying the issue is insurmountable (see Safek over Yom Tov sheni for a Ben Chutz LaAeretz in Israel or vice virsa) but it's not so obvious that 2 full days of shabbos is always the most machmir.
+1.
I know people that won't go to EY for Shalosh Regalim because of the safek...
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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2020, 08:05:32 AM »
+1.
I know people that won't go to EY for Shalosh Regalim because of the safek...
Not going to Israel already seems to go against Rishonim who talk about it.

But Hawaii certainly is more complicated especially when it's purely vacation.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2020, 08:39:44 AM »
Not going to Israel already seems to go against Rishonim who talk about it.

But Hawaii certainly is more complicated especially when it's purely vacation.
The former is a big machlokes among chabad poskim. The latter isn't.
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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2020, 09:27:37 AM »
What about tefillin? If it's shabbos, then they are muktzeh, if it's Chol, then it's a bitul aseih to not. Same thing with nussach Tefillah, Kiddush, havdella.

I'm not saying the issue is insurmountable (see Safek over Yom Tov sheni for a Ben Chutz LaAeretz in Israel or vice virsa) but it's not so obvious that 2 full days of shabbos is always the most machmir.

My rav told me to keep 2 days when I went, which we did and it was actually really nice. I believe he said we should do avoid any Deoraita melacha on the 'fake' shabbat day and then keep the regular day as we normally would.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2020, 10:47:28 AM »
What about tefillin? If it's shabbos, then they are muktzeh, if it's Chol, then it's a bitul aseih to not. Same thing with nussach Tefillah, Kiddush, havdella.

I'm not saying the issue is insurmountable (see Safek over Yom Tov sheni for a Ben Chutz LaAeretz in Israel or vice virsa) but it's not so obvious that 2 full days of shabbos is always the most machmir.

I've discussed these questions in the past here (Kauai thread maybe?). Everything has a clear answer - but one should always do as their LOR says. A LOR who doesn't know the answer will hopefully say so and/or ask someone who does.
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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2020, 11:04:50 AM »
What about tefillin? If it's shabbos, then they are muktzeh, if it's Chol, then it's a bitul aseih to not. Same thing with nussach Tefillah, Kiddush, havdella.

I'm not saying the issue is insurmountable (see Safek over Yom Tov sheni for a Ben Chutz LaAeretz in Israel or vice virsa) but it's not so obvious that 2 full days of shabbos is always the most machmir.
What many LOR's will say is that Friday is just for d'oraisos which means that you can go swimming and do muktzah (tefillin) etc. which are only Rabbinic issues.

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Re: Re: Maui Master Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2020, 01:12:44 PM »
No offense, but the
most Chumradig psak possible is, to just keep 2 days Shabbos.
Saying don't go is another way of saying I don't know the answer, and/or don't want/not capable to research the subject...

I would say that a nice big chunk of Dayanim haven't learned the subject thouroly, and some are even clueless.

Find a Ruv that you respect and is familiar to the matter, and ask for his opinion, and if he says to do 2 days, it's not that bad at all, as a matter of fact I think it's really unique and enjoyable.

Bottom line, whatever you end up doing, Maui is a stuuuning place, so just make sure to enjoy all the time you get.

I just had to get this off my chest...
#sighofrelief :)
He probably meant he didnt want to keep 2 days. Not that his Rav doesnt let him go at all......