When To Keep Shabbos In Hawaii, Antarctica, Svalbard, Or In Orbit?

[sam28]

No offense, but the
most Chumradig psak possible is, to just keep 2 days Shabbos.
Saying don't go is another way of saying I don't know the answer, and/or don't want/not capable to research the subject...

I would say that a nice big chunk of Dayanim haven't learned the subject thouroly, and some are even clueless.

Find a Ruv that you respect and is familiar to the matter, and ask for his opinion, and if he says to do 2 days, it's not that bad at all, as a matter of fact I think it's really unique and enjoyable.

Bottom line, whatever you end up doing, Maui is a stuuuning place, so just make sure to enjoy all the time you get.

I just had to get this off my chest...
#sighofrelief

I spoke to someone who knows good this stuff and he said if you only going for vacation why do wont to put yourself in to it . so the best is avoid being there for shabbes .

[sam28]

He probably meant he didnt want to keep 2 days. Not that his Rav doesnt let him go at all......

and I have no problem keeping 2 days and staying there longer I wish I can

[mochjas]

and I have no problem keeping 2 days and staying there longer I wish I can

my bad, but Sun- Thursday is more than enough

[yoohoo]

Rabbi Taplin of Lakewood

http://www.datelineinhalacha.com/

http://www.datelineinhalacha.com/dateline_in_halacha.html

Do a page search for Hawaii

Very interesting.


I spoke to him before my trip and he convinced me to avoid staying for Shabbos.

[nirc]

I've discussed these questions in the past here (Kauai thread maybe?). Everything has a clear answer - but one should always do as their LOR says. A LOR who doesn't know the answer will hopefully say so and/or ask someone who does.

Sadly, this is not always the case. I learned this the hard way.
Just like many Doctors won't admit they don't know something (in their field) and refer to you to someone else, so do Rabbanim.
It is very easy to take the "machmir" approach.
As I once heard many years ago it doesn't take a "big lamden" to be machmir, rather the opposite.

[12HRS]

No offense, but the
most Chumradig psak possible is, to just keep 2 days Shabbos.


I would say that a nice big chunk of Dayanim haven't learned the subject thouroly, and some are even clueless.

My Rov spoke with R' Eliyashav on this topic and his attitude was

I spoke to someone who knows good this stuff and he said if you only going for vacation why do wont to put yourself in to it . so the best is avoid being there for shabbes .

Hope he wasn't clueless

[Dan]

I spoke to someone who knows good this stuff and he said if you only going for vacation why do wont to put yourself in to it . so the best is avoid being there for shabbes .

Several Rabonim gave me the same answer about Antarctica and Shabbos.

Others pushed back and argued that we need real answers and a psak halacha. These are questions that existed in the past in Northern Russia and questions that will exist in a future where we travel into space. Saying don't go is taking the easy way out.

[ushdadude]

Several Rabonim gave me the same answer about Antarctica and Shabbos.

Others pushed back and argued that we need real answers and a psak halacha. These are questions that existed in the past in Northern Russia and questions that will exist in a future where we travel into space. Saying don't go is taking the easy way out.

you raise a good question (maybe spin-off thread?) how would traveling in orbit work? say shema every 15 minutes?

[Mikes@Micro]

you raise a good question (maybe spin-off thread?) how would traveling in orbit work? say shema every 15 minutes?

Ilan Ramon kept shabbos based on where he took off as per psak from Chabad rabbi near his training center who he was in touch with.

There will prob be more /less mehadrin options
יש כאן מקום להחמיר

[Dan]

Ilan Ramon kept shabbos based on where he took off as per psak from Chabad rabbi near his training center who he was in touch with.

There will prob be more /less mehadrin options
יש כאן מקום להחמיר

Likely based on the same questions as Antarctica:

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/trip-notes/guest-post-halachic-zmanim-polar-regions-kosher-antarctica-cruise/
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/trip-notes/trip-notes-antarctica-part-1-buenos-airesplanning-positioning-adventure-lifetime/

[Dan]

you raise a good question (maybe spin-off thread?) how would traveling in orbit work? say shema every 15 minutes?

Done. And I hope the ask the question myself one day.

[JuryDuty]

What many LOR's will say is that Friday is just for d'oraisos which means that you can go swimming and do muktzah

This is the answer I got. I haven't been to Hawaii yet, but if you go through what you actually are allowed to do, it sounds like an amazing vacation day

[Traveler718]

My Rav was supportive of me going to Antarctica and meticulously answered all my zman-related questions, but has been very discouraging about going to Hawaii, even unhappy with the option of keeping 2 days l'chumra.

[Dan]

My Rav was supportive of me going to Antarctica and meticulously answered all my zman-related questions, but has been very discouraging about going to Hawaii, even unhappy with the option of keeping 2 days l'chumra.

Not sure why there would be a difference?
I'd think that Antarctica would be more problematic, had our trip not had the Falklands detour.

[Joel]

Just like many Doctors won't admit they don't know something (in their field) and refer to you to someone else, so do Rabbanim.
It is very easy to take the "machmir" approach.
As I once heard many years ago it doesn't take a "big lamden" to be machmir, rather the opposite.

Knowing this I knew i had to ask someone who is well versed in (specialty) not every day question.
 
And indeed this was his answer told me not to drive and be machmir on d'oraisos

What many LOR's will say is that Friday is just for d'oraisos which means that you can go swimming and do muktzah (tefillin) etc. which are only Rabbinic issues.