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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2020, 09:30:39 AM »
You are wrong nobody claims it was the original intent. You and others can repeat it as many times as you want and you will still be wrong. You might not agree it was the original intent but just turn on the TV and you will see others are claiming it was. 
This was a 6-3 not a 5-4 decision. I take them at their word.
Source of someone claiming it was the original intent? To be clear, are you saying their and your position is that those who ratified it in 1964 explicitly meant to include gay and trans people?
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2020, 09:31:17 AM »
Just so their is no confusion. The majority of people that are upset is because of the result, not how they arrived at the result.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2020, 10:06:49 AM »
Source?
Common sense. Just listen to all the complaining on cable news networks.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2020, 10:08:29 AM »
Source of someone claiming it was the original intent? To be clear, are you saying their and your position is that those who ratified it in 1964 explicitly meant to include gay and trans people?
I didn't read the 1964 law. I am going by what SCOTUS said.
Now if you want a source listen or watch to any liberal news outlet.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2020, 10:39:12 AM »
Who said;
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Written laws are meant to be understood and lived by. If a fog of uncertainty surrounded them, if their meaning could shift with the latest judicial whim, the point of reducing them to writing would be lost. That is why it’s a “fundamental canon of statutory construction” that words generally should be “interpreted as taking their ordinary, contemporary, common meaning . . . at the time Congress enacted the statute.” Congress alone has the institutional competence, democratic legitimacy, and (most importantly) constitutional authority to revise statutes in light of new social problems and preferences. Until it exercises that power, the people may rely on the original meaning of the written law.

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2020, 10:52:30 AM »
I didn't read the 1964 law. I am going by what SCOTUS said.
Now if you want a source listen or watch to any liberal news outlet.
Where did SCOTUS say that including gay and trans people in the Act was the original intent of the ratifiers?
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2020, 10:54:02 AM »
I didn't read the 1964 law. I am going by what SCOTUS said.
Now if you want a source listen or watch to any liberal news outlet.
Liberal outlets don’t feel the need to prove intent, as they don’t believe it’s required in their interpretation and application of law. Conservatives feel differently, which is why I said that the ruling was liberal.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2020, 12:08:29 PM »
To illustrate how silly Gorsuch's ruling is, he rules that the transgender plaintiff (Stephens) was discriminated against for being a man, yet refers to him throughout the ruling as Ms. Stephens

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2020, 12:18:14 PM »
Exactly. That’s a very popular liberal stance known as “the living Constitution”.
Which essentially means the judicial branch is legislating.

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« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2020, 12:20:27 PM »
Which essentially means the judicial branch is legislating.
Debatable. Conservatives believe that to be the case, while liberals feel this is what interpretation of law actually means. True legislating would mean passing entirely new laws, not reading new meaning into old laws.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2020, 12:22:43 PM »
7-2 ruling including 2 liberal Justices
Feel free to start a thread dedicated to Supreme Court rulings.

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2020, 06:00:59 PM »
7-2 ruling including 2 liberal Justices
Is court now turning conservative?  :P
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2020, 06:09:11 PM »
Is court now turning conservative?  :P
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2020, 06:20:36 PM »
Is the court now returning to be conservative?  :P
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2020, 06:20:49 PM »
Go away
I think I will stay right here. Lets not be a hypocrite now. We get a couple of rulings that many don't like and the court becomes liberal. Now we get a ruling you like so maybe it is swinging back conservative.

There is another possibility the Kool-Aid drinkers didn't think of. They are ruling on the law!!!
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2020, 06:24:05 PM »
I think I will stay right here. Lets not be a hypocrite now. We get a couple of rulings that many don't like and the court becomes liberal. Now we get a ruling you like so maybe it is swinging back conservative.

There is another possibility the Kool-Aid drinkers didn't think of. They are ruling on the law!!!
In theory you’re right. When I opened this thread I was expressing surprise that the usually conservative leaning court ruled in a seemingly liberal fashion. Of course they’re interpreting the law, but there’s a reason SCOTUS nominations are among the most consequential decisions a President can make.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2020, 06:27:27 PM »
Everyone makes a big deal about SCOTUS picks. There decisions have little to no effect on everyday life.
When is the last time there decision made a difference in your life?
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2020, 06:39:34 PM »
In theory you’re right. When I opened this thread I was expressing surprise that the usually conservative leaning court ruled in a seemingly liberal fashion. Of course they’re interpreting the law, but there’s a reason SCOTUS nominations are among the most consequential decisions a President can make.
And the reason Obama is dying to get on!

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