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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2020, 03:33:36 PM »
No, it's like a partial scholarship.
Look at it this way. Say public school is 8k for a 5th grader. The feds offer a 5k voucher, scholarship or what ever you want to call it.  How does that help the minorities with what you call partial school choice? It only helps those who are already sending their kids to private schools.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2020, 04:01:10 PM »
Look at it this way. Say public school is 8k for a 5th grader. The feds offer a 5k voucher, scholarship or what ever you want to call it.  How does that help the minorities with what you call partial school choice?

It helps them because instead of being forced to come up with $8k to send to private school they have to come up with $3k.

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2020, 04:11:42 PM »
It helps because now public school have to “up” their game, if they’re gonna be losing more and more students to the private schools. So hopefully even public school Kids would gain. But that might be wishful thinking knowing how powerful teachers  unions are

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2020, 04:43:49 PM »
It helps them because instead of being forced to come up with $8k to send to private school they have to come up with $3k.
You need to get out in the real world. They don't have the 3k so they are stuck with public schools while the private schools get all the benefit.
If you real believe in school choice then let everyone choose there school as long as they meet the requirements for the school.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2020, 05:48:46 PM »
You need to get out in the real world. They don't have the 3k so they are stuck with public schools while the private schools get all the benefit.
If you real believe in school choice then let everyone choose there school as long as they meet the requirements for the school.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2020, 06:19:49 PM »
If you real believe in school choice then let everyone choose there school as long as they meet the requirements for the school.

I'm all for it. I still think that something is better than nothing.

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2020, 06:24:46 PM »
That’s not how capitalism works
We are talking about school choice.  ::)
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2020, 06:26:12 PM »
I'm all for it. I still think that something is better than nothing.
If you are the one getting the something then sure it is better for you. I am talking overall.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2020, 06:34:16 PM »
If you are the one getting the something then sure it is better for you. I am talking overall.
Overall for who? Society?
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2020, 06:35:25 PM »
Overall for who? Society?
The kids!!!
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #110 on: July 01, 2020, 06:37:07 PM »
The kids!!!
Which kids? All kids, or the ones attending private schools? Who says what’s good for the kids?

Do you mean it is beneficial for *society* for all parents to have a choice where they send their children?
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2020, 06:45:47 PM »
You need to get out in the real world. They don't have the 3k so they are stuck with public schools while the private schools get all the benefit.
If you real believe in school choice then let everyone choose there school as long as they meet the requirements for the school.
The republicans are dying for that to happen but the democrats won’t let
Is this the one issue that you disagree with the democrats and therefore consider yourself and independent?

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2020, 06:47:47 PM »
Which kids?
The kids who go to school.  ::)
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2020, 06:48:22 PM »
Which kids? All kids, or the ones attending private schools? Who says what’s good for the kids?

Do you mean it is beneficial for *society* for all parents to have a choice where they send their children?

I think his point is that he doesn't want those that are going to send to private school regardless to get vouchers.

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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2020, 06:51:42 PM »
I think his point is that he doesn't want those that are going to send to private school regardless to get vouchers.
My point is this is just a smoke screen. There is no real school choice and the R's don't want real school choice.
You want real school choice then support real school choice. Give every child a voucher for a school of their choice!!!
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2020, 06:54:57 PM »
I think his point is that he doesn't want those that are going to send to private school regardless to get vouchers.
Obviously people that end up sending to private schools prefer to send anyway. Just like many that send to public schools prefer to send anyway (and would presumably pay for it if it costed money). Why should the government subsidize one choice but not the other? Won’t this equalize the playing field and allow all parents, especially the ones who can least afford it, the liberty to choose what they feel is best for their children?

Of course if it were completely free it would be completely equal. So you shouldn’t consider a partial victory a victory at all?
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2020, 06:56:09 PM »
My point is this is just a smoke screen. There is no real school choice and the R's don't want real school choice.
You want real school choice then support real school choice. Give every child a voucher for a school of their choice!!!
So every private school can charge whatever they want because the govt. gives them a blank check ???

Also, I have no idea what the local governments allocate for public school per child, but it would not be reasonable to expect more than that even if your school's tuition is higher.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2020, 06:57:16 PM »
Of course if it were completely free it would be completely equal.
Then it would be school choice. Now you understand? Not asking if you agree.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2020, 06:58:32 PM »
So every private school can charge whatever they want because the govt. gives them a blank check ???
There certainly would be abuse that would have to addressed.
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Re: “Conservative” Supreme Court turns Liberal
« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2020, 06:59:58 PM »
My point is this is just a smoke screen. There is no real school choice and the R's don't want real school choice.
You want real school choice then support real school choice. Give every child a voucher for a school of their choice!!!
Ever heard of teachers unions?