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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #270 on: July 06, 2020, 05:33:01 PM »
Maybe his point is that you should first speak to a Rov, then speak to a Doctor?

No, his point was that Rabbonim should be making the final call.

I'm saying that so what if the doctors begged the rabbanim to close. The rabbanim looked at the data the doctors provided and decided it wasn't the right step at that time.
And to suggest that's why ppl died is outright wrong

This is the antithesis of what Rav Miller said.
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #271 on: July 06, 2020, 05:46:28 PM »
Amazing how you cherry picked one line but overlooked the next one.
This is interesting. What is the next line?
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #272 on: July 06, 2020, 06:11:10 PM »
My source is that we live our lives, every aspect of our lives, according to Torah. The way we know what the Torah wants is through our rabbanim.

If you're explaining vrapeh to mean that the doctors opinion supersedes the rabbanims in medical cases, you need the source not me.
So if a doctor who is a Baki tells you a patient is in sakana and needs fluid immediately on Yom Kippur and a Rosh Yeshiva standing there tells you he feels that itís not proper for Yom Kippur , besides, maybe the zechus of Yom Kippur will protect him, and if the patient dies at least he died doing a dvar mitzvah (it would never happen but hypothetically) do you a) listen to the Rosh Yeshiva because heís Daas Torah or b)physically remove the Rosh Yeshiva from in front of the sink to obtain water if need be, since the doctor is calling it a sakana and the Rosh Yeshiva is not disputing the facts as the doctor stated them?


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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #273 on: July 06, 2020, 06:14:36 PM »
So if a doctor who is a Baki tells you a patient is in sakana and needs fluid immediately on Yom Kippur and a Rosh Yeshiva standing there tells you he feels that itís not proper for Yom Kippur , besides, maybe the zechus of Yom Kippur will protect him, and if the patient dies at least he died doing a dvar mitzvah (it would never happen but hypothetically) do you a) listen to the Rosh Yeshiva because heís Daas Torah or b)physically remove the Rosh Yeshiva from in front of the sink to obtain water if need be, since the doctor is calling it a sakana and the Rosh Yeshiva is not disputing the facts as the doctor stated them?


Lol. Is this a question?

I think there is a deep misunderstanding here

Read the quote

https://torasavigdor.org/chanuka-hyrcanus-downfall/


Now, a real gadol is very careful what he does and what he doesnít tell you. Understand that. And thatís why on many things they donít say because they have not yet found it necessary to formulate a policy. But donít think that there are areas where a gadol has a right to say and areas where he doesnít have a right to say. A gadol, a great man has a right to say on everything.


 
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #274 on: July 06, 2020, 06:16:44 PM »
The problem is that covid-19 is politics now -crazy-
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #275 on: July 06, 2020, 06:20:42 PM »
Lol. Is this a question?

I think there is a deep misunderstanding here

Read the quote


No misunderstanding. The question is paraphrasing the quote below:

Full disclaimer: My Daas Torah says that many fewer ppl would have died had we kept shuls open straight through and had the zchus of tefillah bitzibur bbeis midrash on our side. And that it is terrible hashkafa to believe that anyone was harmed from going to shul.

I know that it's not popular opinion on here, and I'm talking to those whose rabbanim ended thinking they should be closed, are you suggesting they were wrong at that time? Don't you trust your rav is supposed to make any and all decisions and has a special siyatta dishmaya in klal matters?
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #276 on: July 06, 2020, 06:22:42 PM »
The problem is that covid-19 is politics now -crazy-
When wasn't it?
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #277 on: July 06, 2020, 06:25:09 PM »
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #278 on: July 06, 2020, 06:25:32 PM »
No misunderstanding. The question is paraphrasing the quote below:

Fact check:

Person is Dehydrating == immediate definite danger to life of specific person

Wear masks + Davening spread out == Possiblity of getting sick
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #279 on: July 06, 2020, 06:27:53 PM »
When wasn't it?
I'm not sure any of us are old enough to remember the last time something was apolitical.

@Yard sale everyone needs a rabbi. Not much else to say.....
(Just pleaseeeeee don't bring us anywhere near the WZO debate.)
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #280 on: July 06, 2020, 06:30:29 PM »
Fact check:

Person is Dehydrating == immediate definite danger to life of specific person

Wear masks + Davening spread out == Possiblity of getting sick

Fact check: he's not talking about now, he's saying that shuls should never have closed and people died because they did. Says nothing about masks and social distancing.
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #281 on: July 06, 2020, 06:32:04 PM »
I'm not sure any of us are old enough to remember the last time something was apolitical.
We just had a unanimous SCOTUS decision.  :)
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #282 on: July 06, 2020, 06:32:45 PM »
We just had a unanimous SCOTUS decision.  :)
SCOTUS is apolitical  :P
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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #283 on: July 06, 2020, 06:34:06 PM »
@Eb228 Can you please bring your source for the definition of Daas Torah?
I'm still waiting.

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Re: Is Florida less honest than China?
« Reply #284 on: July 06, 2020, 06:38:00 PM »
Fact check: he's not talking about now, he's saying that shuls should never have closed and people died because they did. Says nothing about masks and social distancing.
There was mad rush to close them. Why didn't we start with finding an Avenue to allow something?

This entire situation is certainly a heavenly punishment. Who are you to say that someone who unreasonably prevented Tefilah betzibur will not be punished?
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