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Taking into consideration the situation, will you be going to Uman this year?

Yes
6 (8.7%)
No
10 (14.5%)
Not sure yet / waiting to see how the situation develops
3 (4.3%)
I wasn't planning on going anyways
50 (72.5%)

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #201 on: September 05, 2022, 01:33:41 PM »
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #202 on: September 05, 2022, 01:36:29 PM »
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #203 on: September 06, 2022, 09:43:00 AM »
I tip my hat to all those that will be traveling this year, it ain't an easy trip

Some are saying just the real serious Chasidim will be this year without the tourists...

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #204 on: September 06, 2022, 09:56:46 AM »
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #205 on: September 06, 2022, 11:35:53 PM »
I tip my hat to all those that will be traveling this year, it ain't an easy trip

Some are saying just the real serious Chasidim will be this year without the tourists...
out of curiousity what do they have to go through. I assume fly into a neighboring country and a long bus ride to uman

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #206 on: September 07, 2022, 12:15:27 AM »
out of curiousity what do they have to go through. I assume fly into a neighboring country and a long bus ride to uman
Traveling 10+ hours on Ukrainian roads is not glamorous

And do it both directions + lengthy border crossing

And still a country at war, with nightly curfews, air raid sirens

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #207 on: September 07, 2022, 07:38:31 AM »
Traveling 10+ hours on Ukrainian roads is not glamorous

And do it both directions + lengthy border crossing

And still a country at war, with nightly curfews, air raid sirens
Add that to the chance of not arriving on time at all
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #208 on: September 07, 2022, 07:58:25 AM »
Add that to the chance of not arriving on time at all
Way going I don't see it being a factor, given there is shabbos.
Returning those that fly Wednesday is pretty tricky

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #209 on: September 07, 2022, 08:53:20 AM »
Way going I don't see it being a factor, given there is shabbos.
Returning those that fly Wednesday is pretty tricky
Two weeks is a lot
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #210 on: September 07, 2022, 09:02:23 AM »
Two weeks is a lot
2 weeks?
Most people will travel the week before and adding just one day to the trip

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #211 on: September 07, 2022, 09:07:32 AM »
2 weeks?
Most people will travel the week before and adding just one day to the trip
I'm saying that a lot of the dynamics can change, the risk factor is not limited to time constraints, you have (multiple) border crossings, train schedules etc
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Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #212 on: September 07, 2022, 10:48:18 AM »
Travel Advisory: Message for U.S. Citizens Considering Travel to Uman for Rosh Hashanah

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The U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem is repeating this important message from the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv for your information and preparedness.  We strongly support Embassy Kyivís warning against travel to Ukraine for any purpose.

 The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine suspended consular services in February 2022 following Russian military invasion. The State Department recommends U.S. citizens do not travel to Ukraine. U.S. citizens seeking emergency assistance should email KyivACS@state.gov. U.S. citizens may seek consular services at U.S. embassies and consulates in neighboring countries. Please read below for the State Departmentís full travel advisory for Ukraine. 

The State Departmentís Current Travel Advisory for Ukraine is Level 4: Do Not Travel   

The Department of State continues to advise that U.S. citizens not travel to Ukraine due to active armed conflict.  Those U.S citizens in Ukraine should depart if it is safe to do so using commercial or other privately available ground transportation options.

All U.S. citizens should carefully monitor U.S. government notices and local and international media outlets for information about changing security conditions and alerts to shelter in place.  Those remaining in Ukraine should exercise caution due to the potential for military attacks, crime, and civil unrest. 

The security situation throughout Ukraine is highly volatile. U.S. citizens should remain vigilant and take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness. Know the location of your closest shelter or protected space. In the event of mortar or rocket fire, follow the instructions from local authorities and seek shelter immediately. If you feel your current location is no longer safe, you should carefully assess the potential risks involved in moving to a different location. 
   
There are continued reports of Russian forces and their proxies singling out U.S. citizens in Ukraine for detention, interrogation, or harassment because of their nationality.  U.S. citizens have also been singled out when evacuating by land through Russia-occupied territory or to Russia or Belarus.
     
On February 24, the Ukrainian government declared a state of emergency. Each province (oblast) will decide on the measures to be implemented according to local conditions. Measures could include curfews, restrictions on the freedom of movement, ID verification, and increased security inspections, among other measures. Follow any state of emergency measures imposed in your oblast.  
 
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) prohibits U.S. civil aviation from flying in Ukrainian airspace. For more information, U.S. citizens should consult the Federal Aviation Administrationís Prohibitions, Restrictions and Notices. Additionally, since February 24, when Russiaís forces began attacking major Ukrainian cities, the State Aviation Administration of Ukraine, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency, and the Federal Aviation Administration have prohibited flights into, out of, and over Ukraine due to ongoing military actions.    
   
Travel to High-Risk Areas  

If you choose to disregard the travel advisory not to enter Ukraine, you should consider taking the following steps prior to travel:  

SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED

∑         Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney.  

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∑         Develop a communication plan with family and/or your employer or host organization so that they can monitor your safety and location as you travel through high-risk areas. This plan should specify who you would contact first, and how they should share the information.     

∑         Enroll your trip in the State Department's Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.     

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∑         Get a COVID vaccine to facilitate your travel.    

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #213 on: September 07, 2022, 12:10:21 PM »
Travel Advisory: Message for U.S. Citizens Considering Travel to Uman for Rosh Hashanah

Besides the in the subject there is no mention about anything in the email

Either way - most important msg is "Get a COVID vaccine to facilitate your travel."

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #214 on: September 07, 2022, 01:29:59 PM »
Besides the in the subject there is no mention about anything in the email
i believe that uman is in ukraine.

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #215 on: September 07, 2022, 02:55:27 PM »
i believe that uman is in ukraine.
Time will tell

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #216 on: September 08, 2022, 10:08:31 AM »
Tickets are on avg cheaper from last year, so even with the increase ground cost, total travel cost is about the same

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #217 on: September 08, 2022, 10:30:10 AM »
Tickets are on avg cheaper from last year, so even with the increase ground cost, total travel cost is about the same
yes, but last year the only "issue" was corona. this year its rockets. losing ones life (ch"v) is a higher cost.

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #218 on: September 08, 2022, 12:32:37 PM »
yes, but last year the only "issue" was corona. this year its rockets. losing ones life (ch"v) is a higher cost.
believe it or not, Corona also had that side effect for some

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Re: Uman Uman Rosh Hashana 2022-5783
« Reply #219 on: September 08, 2022, 12:43:40 PM »
yes, but last year the only "issue" was corona. this year its rockets. losing ones life (ch"v) is a higher cost.
huh? are you implying rockets are more dangerous than covid? YOU ALT-RIGHT CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
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