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Taking into consideration the situation, will you be going to Uman this year?

Yes
6 (8.7%)
No
10 (14.5%)
Not sure yet / waiting to see how the situation develops
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I wasn't planning on going anyways
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Author Topic: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???  (Read 48290 times)

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #320 on: September 11, 2023, 09:05:25 AM »
Were they not in shul the last 2 weeks?
The problem is the attitude, and the solution of taking it into our own hands.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2023, 10:24:24 AM by avromie7 »
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #321 on: September 11, 2023, 09:33:38 AM »
Were they not in shul the last 2 weeks?
https://scottkahn.substack.com/p/strange-days-indeed
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Nobody told me there’d be days like these…

Strange days, indeed.

Most peculiar, Mama!

In his classic play The Trial of God, Elie Wiesel argues that the defense of God may at times be the work of Satan. A clear example of this erupted in the past twenty four hours, when God’s self-proclaimed defenders asserted, in the service of a physically dangerous and theologically dubious philosophy, that the Bible’s own words are heresy.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Israeli pilgrims to stay away from Uman this year because of the continuing war in Ukraine. Echoing Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky, Netanyahu explained that there are not enough shelters in Uman for the local population, and certainly not for the tens of thousands of Jews who travel there annually for Rosh Hashanah. But most “damning” was his assertion that “God has not always protected us, not on European soil and not on Ukrainian  soil.”

This is not an opinion; it is a fact. Six million Jews died in Europe during the Shoah, and countless others in pogroms in Ukraine and elsewhere in earlier centuries. Whether or not this fits neatly into theological boxes is irrelevant; it is historical reality and cannot be denied. Sadly, these were times when God did not protect us.

As it happens, synagogues around the world read about this exact possibility just two days ago in the weekly Torah portion: “I will display anger against them on that day, and abandon them, and hide My face from them, and they will be devoured, and many evils and troubles will come upon them…” (Devarim 31:17)

It is impossible to fully understand when and why God hides His face; while the Bible explains that it is often a punishment for idolatry, the Talmud elaborates that the reality is more complex. Nevertheless, the fact that God is often hidden - and sometimes frightfully hidden - is an historical certainty anticipated by the Torah itself.

Like the Devil in Wiesel’s play, certain public religious figures and politicians immediately rushed to God’s defense, declaring Netanyahu’s words heretical, and claiming, against the words of the Bible, that God has always protected the Jewish People. The editor of the Hebrew magazine Mishpacha tweeted, “When the ‘head of the camp of the faithful’ opens his mouth with words of serious heresy - and all in an official statement from the Prime Minister's Office - the entire theory of sweet Israel collapses like a tower of cards. In a place where there is desecration of the divine Name and rude and impudent speech toward God - we don’t give Bibi any respect.” United Torah Judaism MK Yisrael Eichler went further, asserting that the Holocaust was caused by the “Zionists,” not by God’s hiddenness, and saying that Netanyahu was ignorant. Sadly, these are not lone voices; many other supposedly religious individuals made similar claims.

Let’s not forget that Netanyahu was not discussing abstract theology, but warning people from going to a country which is currently at war with an unpredictable Russia. The United States State Department issued a travel advisory that begins, simply and in bold letters, Do not travel to Ukraine due to Russia’s war against Ukraine. In echoing this warning, the Prime Minister was following the strict Torah requirement to do whatever is necessary to save lives. I do not approve of much of Netanyahu’s program, but in this particular instance he was right, and advocated an approach in line with Torah Judaism.

When a secular Prime Minister who does not observe Shabbat or keep Kosher supports following the Torah requirement of “You shall live by them” (Vayikra 18:5) and repeats the theology of divine hiddenness that we publicly read two days ago, while those who claim to represent a religious worldview argue that words of Torah are absolute heresy… When religious journalists and politicians state that the book of Deuteronomy and history’s clear verdict are not authoritative, and instead advocate a shallow theology that violates Torah norms and thought and puts people’s lives in danger… We have begun to learn that merely claiming allegiance to the Torah has little or nothing to do with actually following God’s word. It has little or nothing to do with representing an authentically religious viewpoint. It has little or nothing to do with being a true servant of God. Superficial theology and dangerous interpretations of the Torah remain the work of Elie Wiesel’s Devil, no matter how large the kippah on those who advocate them.

Strange days, indeed.

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #322 on: September 11, 2023, 09:38:12 AM »
The problem is the attitude, and the solution of talking it into our own hands.
Were they expecting him to give a shiur in shaar habitachon?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #323 on: September 13, 2023, 09:55:29 PM »



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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #325 on: September 25, 2023, 08:13:23 PM »
DS on his way back home from Ukraine:



He was NOT in Uman.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #326 on: September 25, 2023, 09:24:04 PM »
DS on his way back home from Ukraine:



He was NOT in Uman.
Bus to Poland I guess?
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #327 on: September 25, 2023, 10:48:50 PM »
Bus to Poland I guess?

Correct. He actually wrote to me that this time he took a direct bus (unlike other times where he switched busses).
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #328 on: September 25, 2023, 11:58:28 PM »
DS on his way back home from Ukraine:



He was NOT in Uman.
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #329 on: September 26, 2023, 12:10:58 AM »
ווער עס פארשטייט, פארשטייט
This machla is at least 150 years old...
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #330 on: September 26, 2023, 05:09:42 AM »
Correct. He actually wrote to me that this time he took a direct bus (unlike other times where he switched busses).
From which city?

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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
« Reply #331 on: September 26, 2023, 05:13:41 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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