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Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« on: July 03, 2020, 10:35:03 AM »
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Israeli media is reporting a growing sentiment by Israeli Charedim to avoid Corona tests, since the government places local lockdowns where many infections are detected.

As of right now, Yeshiva בית מתתיהו has over 80 positive cases, including the Rosh Yeshiva, who allegedly instructed Bochurim not to get tests so the Yeshiva can remain open. Yeshiva עטרת שלמה has at least 12 positive cases. The Belzer Rov forbids his chassidim from wearing masks.

The vast majority of Israeli Rabbis are vehemently encouraging everybody to follow governments guidelines as a minimum, even answering the phone on shabbos to get Corona test results.
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2020, 10:38:05 AM »
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Israeli media is reporting a growing sentiment by Israeli Charedim to avoid Corona tests, since the government places local lockdowns where many infections are detected.

As of right now, Yeshiva בית מתתיהו has over 80 positive cases, including the Rosh Yeshiva, who allegedly instructed Bochurim not to get tests so the Yeshiva can remain open. Yeshiva עטרת שלמה has at least 12 positive cases. The Belzer Rov forbids his chassidim from wearing masks.

The vast majority of Israeli Rabbis are vehemently encouraging everybody to follow governments guidelines as a minimum, even answering the phone on shabbos to get Corona test results.
Why can't you just isolate until after Shabbos??

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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2020, 10:40:54 AM »
Why can't you just isolate until after Shabbos??
People who were in contact with the corona patient need to isolate as well. Keeping Shabbos when Hashem doesn't want you to is a worse Aveira than desecrating Shabbos when he wants you to keep it.
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2020, 10:44:55 AM »
People who were in contact with the corona patient need to isolate as well. Keeping Shabbos when Hashem doesn't want you to is a worse Aveira than desecrating Shabbos when he wants you to keep it.
So they don't isolate pending a test result? That makes no sense Shabbos or otherwise.

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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2020, 10:48:06 AM »
So they don't isolate pending a test result? That makes no sense Shabbos or otherwise.
You expect everybody who was in contact with somebody who got a Corona test, in many cases asymptomatic, to fully isolate themselves? If symptomatic Covid patients don't take long crowded flights, דיינו
Then there are also more screening tests for people exposed to somebody positive.
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2020, 10:54:25 AM »
So they don't isolate pending a test result? That makes no sense Shabbos or otherwise.

The people taking the test can be expected to isolate, but the people they've come in contact with are not. The reason for taking the call on shabbos is so that the infected person's contacts can immediately isolate and take tests before the spread becomes exponentially worse. How they find out that they need to isolate on shabbos, that I don't know.
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2020, 11:19:43 AM »
The people taking the test can be expected to isolate, but the people they've come in contact with are not. The reason for taking the call on shabbos is so that the infected person's contacts can immediately isolate and take tests before the spread becomes exponentially worse. How they find out that they need to isolate on shabbos, that I don't know.
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2020, 02:49:33 PM »
https://www.kikar.co.il/366014.html

Israeli media is reporting a growing sentiment by Israeli Charedim to avoid Corona tests, since the government places local lockdowns where many infections are detected.

As of right now, Yeshiva בית מתתיהו has over 80 positive cases, including the Rosh Yeshiva, who allegedly instructed Bochurim not to get tests so the Yeshiva can remain open. Yeshiva עטרת שלמה has at least 12 positive cases. The Belzer Rov forbids his chassidim from wearing masks.

The vast majority of Israeli Rabbis are vehemently encouraging everybody to follow governments guidelines as a minimum, even answering the phone on shabbos to get Corona test results.
My uncle in Yerushalayim (who’s showing all of the symptoms and is high risk) was told by his Rav to isolate but not take the test because it’ll make Chareidim look bad
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2020, 03:26:38 PM »
Selective enforcement and selective lockdowns breed distrust. The government is to blame.

People should get tested privately.

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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2020, 03:31:29 PM »
Selective enforcement and selective lockdowns breed distrust. The government is to blame.

People should get tested privately.
Blame or not people need to be tested and inform their contacts to isolate
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2020, 03:32:00 PM »
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Israeli media is reporting a growing sentiment by Israeli Charedim to avoid Corona tests, since the government places local lockdowns where many infections are detected.

As of right now, Yeshiva בית מתתיהו has over 80 positive cases, including the Rosh Yeshiva, who allegedly instructed Bochurim not to get tests so the Yeshiva can remain open. Yeshiva עטרת שלמה has at least 12 positive cases. The Belzer Rov forbids his chassidim from wearing masks.
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The vast majority of Israeli Rabbis are vehemently encouraging everybody to follow governments guidelines as a minimum, even answering the phone on shabbos to get Corona test results.
This was the psak at the beginning when they were trying to contain it before it spreads. Is this still the psak to answer the phone on shabbos? I doubt it. Definitely not if you ask those allegedly saying not to get tested

Additionally you write "The vast majority of Israeli Rabbis are vehemently encouraging everybody to follow governments guidelines" yet you write in the heading "Charedim Refusing Corona Tests" painting them all with one brush. If I wrote that about blacks you would call me a racist (and rightfully so). Based the way you are writing this may belong in the "antisemitism related to corona thread"


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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2020, 03:07:41 PM »
Selective enforcement and selective lockdowns breed distrust. The government is to blame.

People should get tested privately.
what are some examples of selective lockdowns that you've seen?

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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2020, 04:05:15 PM »
what are some examples of selective lockdowns that you've seen?
in elad the city didn't meet any of the necessary criteria but they put it in lockdown without even consulting the mayor while other cities that have Likud mayors were consulted and managed to avoid getting locked down

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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2020, 11:36:00 PM »
Selective enforcement and selective lockdowns breed distrust. The government is to blame.

People should get tested privately.
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Re: Could It Get Any Worse? Charedim Refusing Corona Tests
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2020, 11:37:18 PM »
Blame or not people need to be tested and inform their contacts to isolate

How about inform everyone without being tested?
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