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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2020, 12:32:37 PM »
But didn't we from the get go know that everyone would be infected?

Let's assume the first cases were begging of February?

It's been nearly 6 months. They need to get the infection rates down and slow the spread to avoid a repeat of NY etc but what exactly are you proposing ?!?!

 I was all for lockdown and caution but it's not realistic, it's been 6 months.

Wear a mask, keep distance, wash your hands responsible.

Even my most cautious friends get this. Will we all get it? You can be responsible.

Responsible hand washing. Avoid crowd's, wear a mask .

Shabbat is a Challange, but even there I mean try to space out, have good AC filters, cover any cough's or sneezes, keep the count low.

I'm sorry but even me, im not staying home for 50 shabbats, that's 100 meals alone.

I don't want the virus, I should test for antibodies, who knows if I had it?

I don't want long term damage, I have enough issues as is.

But locking myself up for a year won't make me happier.




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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2020, 12:40:05 PM »
There's nothing the government can do to stop this entirely. Backyard parties are probably spreading it.

So now it's a nanny state? Call the cops? That should help the BLM movement...

I had to go yesterday to laundromat, it's Miami style so mostly open.

Some were wearing masks pulled down to chin, some weren't.

What should I do Go lecture  everybody? Call 911?

I put my wash in far from them and got the heck out.

So what are you going to do now close all the laundromat because somebody didn't wear a mask?

And since I'm anyways supposed to stay home I do it rashbi style? Naked all day ?!?

For a man who goes for Democrats, @CountValentine  has little idea how the lower class function.

They'd probably save $ eating at home, but many of these people survive on fast food takeout and cheap kitchen style stuff.

And the kids would go crazy if they can't go out.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2020, 12:40:45 PM »
Staggering is the right word for that. Wild
No no, don’t you know it’s only because they’re expanding testing? The only thing that matters is percentage.. no that doesn’t work.. the only thing that matters is total numbers.. no that doesn’t work either.. the only thing that matters is the hospitalization rate.. oh that doesn’t work now... death rate.. no?... oh but it was only about flattening the curve...
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2020, 12:42:20 PM »
But didn't we from the get go know that everyone would be infected?

Let's assume the first cases were begging of February?

It's been nearly 6 months. They need to get the infection rates down and slow the spread to avoid a repeat of NY etc but what exactly are you proposing ?!?!

 I was all for lockdown and caution but it's not realistic, it's been 6 months.

Wear a mask, keep distance, wash your hands responsible.

Even my most cautious friends get this. Will we all get it? You can be responsible.

Responsible hand washing. Avoid crowd's, wear a mask .

Shabbat is a Challange, but even there I mean try to space out, have good AC filters, cover any cough's or sneezes, keep the count low.

I'm sorry but even me, im not staying home for 50 shabbats, that's 100 meals alone.

I don't want the virus, I should test for antibodies, who knows if I had it?

I don't want long term damage, I have enough issues as is.

But locking myself up for a year won't make me happier.
Have you seen anywhere outside of the US? They’re not locked up but guess what? No virus.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2020, 12:52:00 PM »
@chevron That's a lot to process... Let me try to clarify.

I don't want the state locked down. I do want them to take the virus seriously and to tell the truth to the people they answer to. I don't want them to make life impossible for residents. I do want them to impose restrictions that make it less attractive to tourists for a while. I don't want a nanny state, but I do want a regulatory environment that encourages prioritizing the public's safety. Most of all, I want a unified voice from all public officials saying, "this is not a joke, please take it seriously." Because when it turns into a political sh!tshow, people tune out and just dismiss anything Covid-related as "someone else's politics."
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2020, 12:54:51 PM »
@chevron That's a lot to process... Let me try to clarify.

I don't want the state locked down. I do want them to take the virus seriously and to tell the truth to the people they answer to. I don't want them to make life impossible for residents. I do want them to impose restrictions that make it less attractive to tourists for a while. I don't want a nanny state, but I do want a regulatory environment that encourages prioritizing the public's safety. Most of all, I want a unified voice from all public officials saying, "this is not a joke, please take it seriously." Because when it turns into a political sh!tshow, people tune out and just dismiss anything Covid-related as "someone else's politics."

They said it's not a joke... And you think 20 year olds are listening? Or 30 year olds?

People just Wana live.. it's not a thing of the times, people also kept their normal lives up during wars.

As for tourism, it's 93 and feels like 105.. what nut job will visit ?

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2020, 12:59:08 PM »
They said it's not a joke... And you think 20 year olds are listening? Or 30 year olds?

People just Wana live.. it's not a thing of the times, people also kept their normal lives up during wars.

As for tourism, it's 93 and feels like 105.. what nut job will visit ?

Listen to anything DeSantis has said. It all screams, "it's being overblown!"

As for tourism, our state is FULL. And Disney is still opening this week.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2020, 02:35:00 PM »
For a man who goes for Democrats, @CountValentine  has little idea how the lower class function.
If you believe any of this you are clueless. FL is a disaster and getting worse.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2020, 03:31:23 PM »
If we’re lucky - we got right to the brink of disaster (in terms of hospitals being overrun and increased mortality due to sheer overwhelmed systems) and the cases decrease naturally with time and burning itself out. If we’re unlucky - we are in for a very scary next few months. I hope and think the former will be the case, it is entirely feasible that the latter will occur. The prudent thing to do at this point is shut things down (here in the high prevalence zones) until things are somewhat under better control. Not forever, but for some reasonable amount of time until hospitals and cases decrease to a scientifically safer level.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2020, 03:51:55 PM »
If we’re lucky - we got right to the brink of disaster (in terms of hospitals being overrun and increased mortality due to sheer overwhelmed systems) and the cases decrease naturally with time and burning itself out. If we’re unlucky - we are in for a very scary next few months. I hope and think the former will be the case, it is entirely feasible that the latter will occur. The prudent thing to do at this point is shut things down (here in the high prevalence zones) until things are somewhat under better control. Not forever, but for some reasonable amount of time until hospitals and cases decrease to a scientifically safer level.
The former is what happened in NY, so hopefully its the same and things don't get too crazy.

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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2020, 04:03:06 PM »
The former is what happened in NY, so hopefully its the same and things don't get too crazy.
According to many posters on DDF what actually killed many of the patients in NY/NJ was doctors and nurses being overwhelmed so let hope that doesn’t happen in Florida as well.
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2020, 04:04:07 PM »
If we’re lucky - we got right to the brink of disaster (in terms of hospitals being overrun and increased mortality due to sheer overwhelmed systems) and the cases decrease naturally with time and burning itself out. If we’re unlucky - we are in for a very scary next few months. I hope and think the former will be the case, it is entirely feasible that the latter will occur. The prudent thing to do at this point is shut things down (here in the high prevalence zones) until things are somewhat under better control. Not forever, but for some reasonable amount of time until hospitals and cases decrease to a scientifically safer level.

I share your hope, but not your optimism. I don't think you'll see the shut downs you think are necessary, and I don't even think you'll see the basic precautions that are crucial to avoid a spiral. I really hope I'm wrong.

The former is what happened in NY, so hopefully its the same and things don't get too crazy.

The former happened in NY only through Draconian measures, and much more widespread compliance than we're seeing in FL right now. We're as open now in Phase 2 with record high cases and shrinking hospital resources as NY is now in Phase 3 with under 1000 cases per day and relatively few Covid hospitalizations.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2020, 04:19:59 PM »
I share your hope, but not your optimism. I don't think you'll see the shut downs you think are necessary, and I don't even think you'll see the basic precautions that are crucial to avoid a spiral. I really hope I'm wrong.

The former happened in NY only through Draconian measures, and much more widespread compliance than we're seeing in FL right now. We're as open now in Phase 2 with record high cases and shrinking hospital resources as NY is now in Phase 3 with under 1000 cases per day and relatively few Covid hospitalizations.

Oh, I quite agree. If we are unlucky and the cases continue to escalate I am very concerned that the government and people in general have lost their ability to recognize the seriousness and the shutdowns are unlikely to happen effectively. It’s the same reason some people don’t vaccinate - first phase was a case of the boy who cried wolf (outside of NY, Cali) and in NYC they shut down fairly effectively and therefore didn’t have casualties nearly as bad as it could have been. Now people are unlikely to recognize how bad it can get in a worst case scenario (ala Italy).

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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2020, 04:24:28 PM »
Oh, I quite agree. If we are unlucky and the cases continue to escalate I am very concerned that the government and people in general have lost their ability to recognize the seriousness and the shutdowns are unlikely to happen effectively. It’s the same reason some people don’t vaccinate - first phase was a case of the boy who cried wolf (outside of NY, Cali) and in NYC they shut down fairly effectively and therefore didn’t have casualties nearly as bad as it could have been. Now people are unlikely to recognize how bad it can get in a worst case scenario (ala Italy).

I can’t be the only one that despises the use of the word “unlucky” when describing Florida.