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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2020, 04:34:03 PM »
According to many posters on DDF what actually killed many of the patients in NY/NJ was doctors and nurses being overwhelmed so let hope that doesnít happen in Florida as well.
Also putting everyone on a ventilator if they coughed twice contributed.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2020, 04:43:56 PM »
Also putting everyone on a ventilator if they coughed twice contributed.
Because they didnít want to overexert themselves To help them or because they genuinely believed that was the proper treatment? If the former, that would apply to Florida as well. If the latter, then indeed, increased medical knowledge should help with the death rate beĒh.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2020, 04:44:32 PM »


and in NYC they shut down fairly effectively and therefore didnít have casualties nearly as bad as it could have been.

400k positives, over 32k deaths. What could have been worse?? The numbers NY has is larger then most of the world. I'm not sure how things could've been worse.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2020, 05:03:34 PM »

400k positives, over 32k deaths. What could have been worse?? The numbers NY has is larger then most of the world. I'm not sure how things could've been worse.

Look up Italy - 243k cases w/ 35k mortalities. Thatís what happens when the healthcare system is truly overwhelmed.

Also 400k total cases is less than 5% of total population (granted the actual positive rate must have been somewhat higher as many probably did not get tested). If they hadnít shut down to the extent they did, it certainly could have been disastrously worse.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2020, 05:05:38 PM »
I canít be the only one that despises the use of the word ďunluckyĒ when describing Florida.

If you read my OP you would see that I break it down into a lucky break or an unlucky break at this point going forward. Regardless, I donít begrudge you for your sentiments.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2020, 05:16:48 PM »

400k positives, over 32k deaths. What could have been worse?? The numbers NY has is larger then most of the world. I'm not sure how things could've been worse.

More infections and more deaths? That would have been worse. Not instituting any restrictions would have guaranteed that.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2020, 06:57:25 PM »
If you read my OP you would see that I break it down into a lucky break or an unlucky break at this point going forward. Regardless, I donít begrudge you for your sentiments.

I read it. Lucky and unlucky are not 2 sides of the coin. Thereís also the expected result. If you know that you will roll the dice 20x, you would not say itís unlucky to roll a 6 at least once. If rolling a 6 kills someone, thatís not bad luck or good luck. Thatís what everyone expected. Luck would be Florida escaping relatively unscathed. Expected result would be that a lot of Floridians die that couldíve been saved with better policies. Unlucky would be that way more Floridians die than we couldíve expected because of an unknown variable or everything go wrong.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2020, 08:16:32 AM »
According to many posters on DDF what actually killed many of the patients in NY/NJ was doctors and nurses being overwhelmed so let hope that doesnít happen in Florida as well.
I think wa as more the fear of overloading the system than actually overloading the system. That's something that hindsight and a few months of planning (which FL is lucky to have) can easily avoid.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2020, 08:46:54 AM »
I think wa as more the fear of overloading the system than actually overloading the system. That's something that hindsight and a few months of planning (which FL is lucky to have) can easily avoid.
Maybe you should talk to those on the frontline if you think it was only a fear of being overloaded.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2020, 08:50:58 AM »
I think wa as more the fear of overloading the system than actually overloading the system. That's something that hindsight and a few months of planning (which FL is lucky to have) can easily avoid.
That was arguably Cuomo's mistake. But take one look at the Maimonides thread to see that there were hospitals that were actually overwhelmed.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2020, 09:15:50 AM »
I think wa as more the fear of overloading the system than actually overloading the system. That's something that hindsight and a few months of planning (which FL is lucky to have) can easily avoid.

It was definitely a factor, and one that FL hopefully won't have to deal with. However, looking at the hospital stats, FL may have to deal with that as an actual reality in certain parts of the state. There are a number of hospitals that have reached capacity, and have been diverting patients to other hospitals within their network for the last week already. Given the record highs of new cases and hospitalizations, care is going to become a very real concern in the next 2 weeks here. The state is trying to stay ahead of curve by sourcing 1000 new nurses, and they put in place a system back in April to help convert regular beds into Covid ICU beds. Time will tell if that's enough.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2020, 09:20:44 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/rays-kevan-smith-weird-looks-wearing-mask-florida

Unfortunately, this is the reality here. Too many people are buying the narrative that Covid is being blown out of proportion by left-wing media. When Trump shows up to your "hardest hit" county without a mask, it reinforces the idea that masks aren't really necessary. Trump doesn't get that people don't use nuance to differentiate between his personal situation, where a mask probably isn't necessary, and their day-to-day lives.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2020, 09:39:38 AM »
Rebekah Jones has her own dashboard with a bit more info:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

As of 2 days ago, DoH started publishing hospital data, which can been seen on a new tab in the dashboard above. 307 out of 325 FL hospitals are included in those numbers (the others aren't reporting to the public).
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2020, 09:40:01 AM »
That was arguably Cuomo's mistake. But take one look at the Maimonides thread to see that there were hospitals that were actually overwhelmed.
In NYC it was spiraling out of control at a crazy pace, it went from a handful of hospitalizations to overflow capacity in a couple of days. I believe the fear of overwhelming/hopelessness as well as the lack of accountability were largely responsible.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2020, 09:46:24 AM »
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244027067.html

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