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What is FL hiding?
« on: July 07, 2020, 04:41:15 PM »
Where can you find how many are in hospitals because of covid-19.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2020, 04:53:03 PM »
Where can you find how many are in hospitals because of covid-19.

FL DOH Dashboard gives total hospitalizations, and after a ton of pressure recently, they said they would start publishing daily info:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

Rebekah Jones has her own dashboard with a bit more info:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

If they look almost identical, it's because she built both of them.

Of note, the numbers are very much reliant on hospitals self-reporting. Some hospitals have been more forthcoming than others.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2020, 05:01:52 PM »
Nice but any figures on currently in hospital or am I not looking at it right?
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2020, 05:15:30 PM »
Nice but any figures on currently in hospital or am I not looking at it right?

There are tabs on the bottom, giving a ton of info.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2020, 05:17:28 PM »
There are tabs on the bottom, giving a ton of info.
Roboform toolbar was covering them up.  >:(
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2020, 05:23:13 PM »
maybe trump will pull out the us from Florida, like he wants to do with WHO, for hiding facts of covid-19.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2020, 05:31:21 PM »
 the cumulative deaths is very low when compared to cumulative new cases, why is that?

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2020, 05:44:12 PM »
maybe trump will pull out the us from Florida, like he wants to do with WHO, for hiding facts of covid-19.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2020, 05:44:45 PM »
the cumulative deaths is very low when compared to cumulative new cases, why is that?
Don't they lag about 4 weeks or more?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2020, 05:50:10 PM »
the cumulative deaths is very low when compared to cumulative new cases, why is that?
They lag a few weeks behind. Also there is a higher percentage of younger ppl this go-around. Make of it what you like.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2020, 05:51:18 PM »
the cumulative deaths is very low when compared to cumulative new cases, why is that?

A few reasons. First, 51.5% of their infections occurred in the last 14 days. Second, and related to the first, the death rate has dropped significantly everywhere due to better treatment protocols. Third, 58% of the infected people are under the age of 45, and that demographic tends to have a lower mortality rate. Fourth, and possibly most important, FL ordered their coroner's offices not to release any data, so we have no idea how many people actually died or what they died from.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2020, 05:55:42 PM »
Is DeSantis the new Giuliani?

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2020, 06:52:31 PM »
Are you finished ?

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2020, 08:57:06 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/florida-governor-desantis-coronavirus-stabilized-hospitalization-rate-fact-check/index.html

This is horrible reporting, just by virtue of all the things they're missing, but it's something.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2020, 09:02:55 PM »
You know it's bad when CNN comparison pieces don't even have to lie to make you look bad:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/florida-texas-governors-coronavirus/index.html
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2020, 09:45:44 PM »
Are you finished ?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2020, 05:05:02 AM »
Fourth, and possibly most important, FL ordered their coroner's offices not to release any data, so we have no idea how many people actually died or what they died from.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2020, 08:39:28 AM »
They lag a few weeks behind. Also there is a higher percentage of younger ppl this go-around. Make of it what you like.

Any observations from the frontlines?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2020, 10:51:04 AM »
Any observations from the frontlines?

We are about triple our total inpatients compared to the “peak of the 1st wave”. Converting most of the ERs and ICUs to COVID ICUs. Cutting back on most non-emergent surgeries requiring hospitalizations. Most hospitals in South Florida have cancelled elective cases altogether but my hospital system has not yet. They are starting to pull residents from other services to help the hospitalist teams who are at or near capacity. Having said all this - we are running about even on total COVID cases for the past 3-4 days. This can be an aberration but hopefully is evidence of turning the corner. We are still getting new COVID patients but this current batch of patients are more quickly able to be discharged -likely due to the greater percentage of young/healthy patients as compared to the more elderly sicker patients during the first wave.

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There is no active count of COVID-19 positive persons admitted to a hospital ER or as an in-patient in the state of Florida.

 

Therefore, any statement regarding the current trend in ER and hospital admissions (and deaths-more on that below) are entirenly non-evidence based.

 

The Florida Department of Health (DOH) has never provided data about the number of people currently hospitalized or in the emergency room who are COVID-19 positive. They do not provide dates for when COVID-19 persons were admitted to or discharged from the ER or as in-patients to a hospital.

 

The only hospital surveillance data available to the public is the AHCA current bed availability data (see note about that data to the left) and the Florida Metrics data published by DOH every Sunday, which counts the total number of legal Florida residents who visited an ER in the state of Florida with symptoms matching the key terms of influenza and COVID-19 (reported by week). 

 

Additionally, DOH does not provide the date of death for any case. The chart on the now-disabled DOH dshboard showing resident deaths by date is just that - residents only by date of death for cases where a death certificate has been received and the date of death verified by the state.

 

The CDC warns "delays in reporting a person's death to the state can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death."

 

According to internal DOH records, deaths reported by DOH were reported an average 7-21 days after the COVID-19 positive person died (date from March through mid-June_, with some deaths reported as late as 44 days after death.

 

From Florida Covid Action
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