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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #260 on: August 13, 2020, 12:44:09 PM »
This train-wreck just won't stop:

https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1293607111746879488
The past 7 weeks only takes us back to 1.5 weeks before July 4th, the remaining 5.5 weeks are after July 4th. If the 4,000 cases were spread evenly over the past 7 weeks (I haven't seen any specifics about when exactly they are from) that's an average of ~80 cases per day which amounts to a rounding error.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #261 on: August 13, 2020, 12:52:02 PM »
Is this thread only about bashing Desantis?
It's more fun when we have the pro and the anti.
This is like a one way street. :)

For me it's about finding real numbers for FL. DeSantis being a dumb@$$ is just gravy.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #262 on: August 13, 2020, 12:56:26 PM »
The past 7 weeks only takes us back to 1.5 weeks before July 4th, the remaining 5.5 weeks are after July 4th. If the 4,000 cases were spread evenly over the past 7 weeks (I haven't seen any specifics about when exactly they are from) that's an average of ~80 cases per day which amounts to a rounding error.

In a vacuum, 4000 cases would barely even get my attention. You're talking about a state with over a half a million confirmed cases, and the vast majority of those in the last 8 weeks. When you pair it with a DoH tip about cases being buried, and look at it with the historical context of FL fudging its numbers, it's enough to raise some eyebrows. That doesn't mean they absolutely hid these cases, but you can make a very strong case why they would be motivated to do something like this.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #263 on: August 13, 2020, 12:57:50 PM »
In a vacuum, 4000 cases would barely even get my attention. You're talking about a state with over a half a million confirmed cases, and the vast majority of those in the last 8 weeks. When you pair it with a DoH tip about cases being buried, and look at it with the historical context of FL fudging its numbers, it's enough to raise some eyebrows. That doesn't mean they absolutely hid these cases, but you can make a very strong case why they would be motivated to do something like this.
It's possible, but it's not a smoking gun like that tweet is trying to make it seem.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #264 on: August 13, 2020, 01:14:22 PM »
Is this thread only about bashing Desantis?
It's more fun when we have the pro and the anti.
This is like a one way street. :)
What's the pro for this idiot?  ;)
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #265 on: August 13, 2020, 06:44:16 PM »
What's the pro for this idiot?  ;)
That Cuomo and Murphy’s nursing home massacres will make him look like a genius relative to them when the books will be written about years 2020-(2022?) almost no matter what he does?

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #266 on: August 13, 2020, 06:48:32 PM »
That Cuomo and Murphy’s nursing home massacres will make him look like a genius relative to them when the books will be written about years 2020-(2022?) almost no matter what he does?

Don't put money on that.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #267 on: August 14, 2020, 05:14:47 PM »
Don't put money on that.
I guess it depends who writes the book
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #268 on: August 14, 2020, 06:01:19 PM »
Our hospitalizations are at nearly 40% of their high about 2-3 weeks ago. Prob still about double what they were at their low in June.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #269 on: August 14, 2020, 06:10:58 PM »
I guess it depends who writes the book
It’s very clear that the book has already been written in Cuomo’s favor.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #270 on: August 14, 2020, 06:28:44 PM »
Our hospitalizations are at nearly 40% of their high about 2-3 weeks ago. Prob still about double what they were at their low in June.

New admissions are at an all-time high at nearly 500/day over the last 10 days, but current hospitalizations are just under 7k, which is where they were in the beginning of July. How long would you say the average patient is staying before being released? It seems like the turnaround time is super quick.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #271 on: August 15, 2020, 10:24:33 PM »
It’s very clear that the book has already been written in Cuomo’s favor.
This is far from over, there will definitely be an investigation into the nursing home fiasco.
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What is FL hiding?
« Reply #272 on: August 15, 2020, 10:44:54 PM »
This is far from over, there will definitely be an investigation into the nursing home fiasco.
Some hubris and humility from Cuomo would serve him well here. A statement along the lines of "this seemed like the best course of action in the early crazy days of the pandemic; looking back we see how ill fated my decision was. I apologize to all the families that have been irrevocably and tragically devastated by my policy."

Not sure why this is a big deal for him. (Or maybe this points to his oversized ego...)
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #273 on: August 19, 2020, 10:27:32 AM »
https://www.miamiherald.com/article244962780.html

Short version: The FL medical examiners have a severe backlog of deaths, and have been backlogged since at least the beginning of July.

This chart shows the date the death was reported by the state vs the date the death actually occured:


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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #274 on: August 19, 2020, 12:50:37 PM »
https://www.miamiherald.com/article244962780.html

Short version: The FL medical examiners have a severe backlog of deaths, and have been backlogged since at least the beginning of July.

This chart shows the date the death was reported by the state vs the date the death actually occured:



Hard to visualize the backlog with this chart. Much simpler would be a graph of date of death vs date of reported death.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #275 on: August 19, 2020, 12:57:54 PM »
Hard to visualize the backlog with this chart. Much simpler would be a graph of date of death vs date of reported death.

I have yet to find a really good graph for this. Here is a different graph, but it is less detailed and I didn't find it to be much better:



As you can see, the amount of deaths being reported 14 days and 21 days after actual occurrence is growing throughout late July and August.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #277 on: August 26, 2020, 02:08:37 PM »
I don't think we've distorted the data enough. Maybe this will help:

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/08/26/requirement-florida-medical-examiners-sign-off-covid-19-deaths-suspended/3434912001/
I'm having trouble understanding how this would distort data.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #278 on: August 26, 2020, 02:17:25 PM »
I'm having trouble understanding how this would distort data.

Thousands of doctors given the power to determine whether to certify a death as Covid? Zero uniformity, zero standards, zero knowledge of individual biases?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #279 on: August 26, 2020, 02:42:30 PM »
Thousands of doctors given the power to determine whether to certify a death as Covid? Zero uniformity, zero standards, zero knowledge of individual biases?
CMIIW, I believe the doctors were already doing most of the work, and they were already ruling out non-covid so the worst this can do is allow a few non covid deaths to be reported as covid deaths.
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