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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #280 on: August 26, 2020, 03:39:09 PM »
CMIIW, I believe the doctors were already doing most of the work, and they were already ruling out non-covid so the worst this can do is allow a few non covid deaths to be reported as covid deaths.

I'm pretty sure all deaths were going through the medical examiner's office, and I'm pretty sure they were conducting post-mortem Covid tests in certain cases. My knowledge here isn't very strong, but my understanding is that it is very rare to have Covid as the only cause of death. It can be either the primary or secondary cause, but there are almost always other causes (comorbidities), often even caused by the virus itself, such as heart or liver failure.

When you have everything going through a central office, there is uniformity in how these things get documented. For example, someone who had a pre-existing heart issue who contracted Covid, that office had a standard for what they put on the certificate. Now, each doctor gets to determine if Covid played a part, how much of a part it played, and whether it deserves to be listed on the certificate. You can have the same type of case present itself 50 times and have half counted as Covid and half not. Without having uniform reporting standards, you have no idea what you're looking at when analyzing the data.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #281 on: August 26, 2020, 03:43:56 PM »
I'm pretty sure all deaths were going through the medical examiner's office, and I'm pretty sure they were conducting post-mortem Covid tests in certain cases. My knowledge here isn't very strong, but my understanding is that it is very rare to have Covid as the only cause of death. It can be either the primary or secondary cause, but there are almost always other causes (comorbidities), often even caused by the virus itself, such as heart or liver failure.

When you have everything going through a central office, there is uniformity in how these things get documented. For example, someone who had a pre-existing heart issue who contracted Covid, that office had a standard for what they put on the certificate. Now, each doctor gets to determine if Covid played a part, how much of a part it played, and whether it deserves to be listed on the certificate. You can have the same type of case present itself 50 times and have half counted as Covid and half not. Without having uniform reporting standards, you have no idea what you're looking at when analyzing the data.
I should add, I don't think other states have a central office signing off on every death.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #282 on: September 11, 2020, 02:33:56 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #283 on: September 21, 2020, 06:52:46 PM »
Hospital is back to the baseline that we were at after the first wave concluded ~June. Tune back in around mid October for our next session of ‘COVID or masks’.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #284 on: September 21, 2020, 06:54:11 PM »
Hospital is back to the baseline that we were at after the first wave concluded ~June. Tune back in around mid October for our next session of ‘COVID or masks’.

Good to see you back.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #285 on: September 21, 2020, 07:03:56 PM »
Hospital is back to the baseline that we were at after the first wave concluded ~June. Tune back in around mid October for our next session of ‘COVID or masks’.


Didn’t that wave just run it’s course DESPITE no additional precautions taken during the spike?

His point is they didn't shut anything down to get this improvement, which will probably reinforce the notion that this virus will do whatever it does, regardless of open/shut.
Yup, and the fact that we didn't have deaths like NYC, Italy, etc. Just means everyone who was pro opening will now say told you so.
From what I've seen and heard in Miami nothing has changed practically since the spike.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #286 on: September 21, 2020, 07:09:04 PM »

Didn’t that wave just run it’s course DESPITE no additional precautions taken during the spike?

I don't agree with the opinion that no additional precautions were taken. From mid-to-late July, there was a big surge in mask usage from what I saw. Coincidentally (or not) around the time Trump changed course on masks.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #287 on: September 22, 2020, 01:35:12 AM »
I don't agree with the opinion that no additional precautions were taken. From mid-to-late July, there was a big surge in mask usage from what I saw. Coincidentally (or not) around the time Trump changed course on masks.

Every store ive been in, requires mask usage. Also the availability of masks is better and socially more pressure.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #288 on: September 22, 2020, 09:30:45 AM »
Tune back in around mid October for our next session of ‘COVID or masks’.

I think FL has until mid Dec or early Jan before we get to play that game. Northern states get to play in October, unless you live in a frum community that prides itself on being advanced.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #289 on: September 22, 2020, 06:28:38 PM »
I think FL has until mid Dec or early Jan before we get to play that game. Northern states get to play in October, unless you live in a frum community that prides itself on being advanced.

I pray you’re right but time will tell.

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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #290 on: September 25, 2020, 06:27:01 PM »
I think FL has until mid Dec or early Jan before we get to play that game. Northern states get to play in October, unless you live in a frum community that prides itself on being advanced.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1309538431056392192

Hey, we only have 2.5k cases a day instead of 10k

Let's see if we can get it back up to 10k
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #291 on: September 26, 2020, 08:33:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1309538431056392192

Hey, we only have 2.5k cases a day instead of 10k

Let's see if we can get it back up to 10k
Didn't this come with giving more authority to localities?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #292 on: September 26, 2020, 11:17:11 PM »
I’m old enough to remember DeSantis demanding an apology for the great job he’s done containing the virus
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #293 on: September 26, 2020, 11:44:44 PM »
I’m old enough to remember DeSantis demanding an apology for the great job he’s done containing the virus
At least he didn't force it into nursing homes.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #294 on: September 26, 2020, 11:48:05 PM »
At least he didn't force it into nursing homes.

...but officer!!!  ::)
I love how you can never defend any of his positions.  :)
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #295 on: September 26, 2020, 11:51:38 PM »

When this is finally over in a few years, we can see who did better.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #296 on: September 26, 2020, 11:55:09 PM »
When this is finally over in a few years, we can see who did better.

You're missing the point... IT'S NOT A COMPETITION! This isn't the Olympics, with deaths, hospitalizations, and cases as the gold, silver, and bronze in the race to the bottom.
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #297 on: September 26, 2020, 11:58:03 PM »
You're missing the point... IT'S NOT A COMPETITION! This isn't the Olympics, with deaths, hospitalizations, and cases as the gold, silver, and bronze in the race to the bottom.
we know no one is perfect, so how else would you decide if someone did well or not?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #298 on: September 27, 2020, 12:00:23 AM »
we know no one is perfect, so how else would you decide if someone did well or not?
If they demand an apology for their fantastic job before allowing 14,000 people to die?
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Re: What is FL hiding?
« Reply #299 on: September 27, 2020, 12:02:04 AM »
If they demand an apology for their fantastic job before allowing 14,000 people to die?
What was the alternative and what would the results have been?
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