How can you spot a Trump supporter?

[S209]

For the sake of anyone reading this, this was the context.

You said

Brazil, Mexico, California, highest mask usage out there. Don't look good for masks.

To which I replied

I’m not sure where you got that Brazil has a high rate of mask wearing.

You answered with this

Oh, and it lots of Brazil masks were legally required since april.

To which I replied that that isn’t proof, because

That is true of most countries in the world, but IIRC the President of Brazil is vocally against masks and has withheld mask legislation.

I then added

I don’t believe it’s true and would need to see a source to convince me.

[yuneeq]

Warning: snowflakes will be scared of the following article and chart. Skip to the next post.

https://news.vcu.edu/article/Early_face_mask_policies_curbed_COVID19s_spread_according_to

[davidrotts63]

For the sake of anyone reading this, this was the context.

You saidTo which I repliedYou answered with thisTo which I replied that that isn’t proof, because
I then added

So I was clear my source was the law, which you disputed, only one I made you google the law because you doubt things without even a simple Google search, did you move to doubting compliance, which I have no idea, and you may be correct about.

[CountValentine]

Warning: snowflakes will be scared of the following article and chart. Skip to the next post.

https://news.vcu.edu/article/Early_face_mask_policies_curbed_COVID19s_spread_according_to

They only looked at 198 countries. Pretty small sample. 

[S209]

So I was clear my source was the law, which you disputed, only one I made you google the law because you doubt things without even a simple Google search, did you move to doubting compliance, which I have no idea, and you may be correct about.

Um no, your original claim was that there is widespread use, not that there is a law. I *very clearly and precisely* doubted that specific claim, as you can see in my very first reply to your post. If your claim was that there is a law then you have no claim whatsoever, because nearly every country mandates masks on some levels, so what’s unique about Brazil?

Correct, if your source is that there is a law then you have no idea and once again an argument of yours falls apart after taking a poke. Am I 3 for 3 now?

Once again, my very first reply was, “I’m not sure where you got that Brazil has a high rate of mask wearing”.

[davidrotts63]

Warning: snowflakes will be scared of the following article and chart. Skip to the next post.

https://news.vcu.edu/article/Early_face_mask_policies_curbed_COVID19s_spread_according_to

Wooow. Read the article! The Goldman Sachs article talks about side effects of masks, aka what people wearing them do aside from masks, and is quite clear that Spain, Italy and the UK have the highest mask wearing numbers in the EU...

[davidrotts63]

Um no, your original claim was that there is widespread use, not that there is a law. I *very clearly and precisely* doubted that specific claim, as you can see in my very first reply to your post. If your claim was that there is a law then you have no claim whatsoever, because nearly every country mandates masks on some levels, so what’s unique about Brazil?

Correct, if your source is that there is a law then you have no idea and once again an argument of yours falls apart after taking a poke. Am I 3 for 3 now?

0 for 12.

[S209]

0 for 12.

That fits smoothly with some of your other statistics..

[CountValentine]

Wooow. Read the article! The Goldman Sachs article talks about side effects of masks, aka what people wearing them do aside from masks, and is quite clear that Spain, Italy and the UK have the highest mask wearing numbers in the EU...

Did you read the whole article? How about the main point of the article, what is it?

[davidrotts63]

Did you read the whole article? How about the main point of the article, what is it?

Yes, it is a reliable source, but it is far from a very strong argument

[CountValentine]

Yes, it is a reliable source, but it is far from a very strong argument

Fair enough. Please link to what you feel is a strong argument for not wearing masks.

[yuneeq]

Wooow. Read the article! The Goldman Sachs article talks about side effects of masks, aka what people wearing them do aside from masks, and is quite clear that Spain, Italy and the UK have the highest mask wearing numbers in the EU...

In other words, you skipped the title, didn’t read the linked study, and instead read some GS article linked to at the end. Great reading comprehension.

[davidrotts63]

In other words, you skipped the title, didn’t read the linked study, and instead read some GS article linked to at the end. Great reading comprehension.

I skimmed the article, found the only reliable name, and admitted you had a source when I found one. Gosh, who the snowflakes here, wrong hurts you, and right hurts you more.

[davidrotts63]

Fair enough. Please link to what you feel is a strong argument for not wearing masks.

As I come across them I will do my best to.
Should I provide the links for the studies against cloth masks? Those are far ans wide, I also provided a study against masks, because people don't know how to wear and handle them, causing self contamination, such studies are also out there in large amounts.

[aygart]

and is quite clear that Spain, Italy and the UK have the highest mask wearing numbers in the EU...

Beginning at what date?

[CountValentine]

I skimmed the article, found the only reliable name, and admitted you had a source when I found one. Gosh, who the snowflakes here, wrong hurts you, and right hurts you more.

Did you read the GS article?

As shown in Exhibit 5, we estimate that face mask mandates have large and highly statistically significant effects on health outcomes. Our estimates imply that mask mandates lower the infection growth rate by 1.3pp in the 11-15 days after announcement. Relative to the 5.4% average infection growth rate prior to announcement, the growth rate of infections is cut by 25%. We also estimate significant and somewhat larger declines in the growth rate of COVID-19 fatalities of 2.4pp in the 11-15 days after announcement and of 3.7pp in the 21-29 days after.

Exhibit 6 presents the descriptive relationships graphically by plotting the length of the outbreak before masks were widely adopted against cumulative cases per capita (left panel) and cumulative fatalities per capita (right panel). We measure the start of the outbreak as the day of the first fatality. Both graphs show a positive and statistically significant slope, indicating that countries which took longer to reach widespread mask usage (whether by policy or cultural norms) suffered more virus cases and fatalities.

[thaber]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1883545/horrifying-virus-carrier-attended-shul-despite-diagnosis-leading-to-death-of-rav-shmuel-ashkenazi-ztl.html

Just putting this here.

[Jeremiah]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1883545/horrifying-virus-carrier-attended-shul-despite-diagnosis-leading-to-death-of-rav-shmuel-ashkenazi-ztl.html

Just putting this here.

I don't think anyone here thinks that someone with symptoms should go to shul

[Lurker]

I don't think anyone here thinks that someone with symptoms should go to shul

This is a good starting point. Now how do you deal with the fact that much, if not most, of the spread occurs before the onset of symptoms?

[CountValentine]

More Trump supporters?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st-louis-couple-who-aimed-guns-at-protesters-charged-with-felony-weapons-count/ar-BB16Yx5A?li=BBnb7Kz