How can you spot a Trump supporter?

[whYME]

"Obviously a mask is probably going to be much less necessary Pointless in a place that was already hit hard."
Say it. Go on.
Face the facts, you've been lied to, and if you believe this isn't a lie, you were lied to months ago, by which endangering your health when the CDC originally said they are ineffective.
Catch-22. Welcome to team reality.

It's time for you to face the facts. If someone is not wearing a mask it's only because they're a Trump supporter, and every Trump supporter is an uneducated racist Kool-Aid drinker. Stop trying to pretend there might be any logic involved here.

[Euclid]

Fair. Didn't know the counter arguments would be so strong, I guess you proved me wrong.

Can't debate a fatalist, it's an emotion.

[davidrotts63]

Can't debate a fatalist, it's an emotion.

Absolutely.
 I bet that's the reason for these policies cuz "otherwise you're a fatalist" as logical of an argument as "if you don't do XYZ you're gay" is for a 9 year old.
Not willing to argue speaks far more than any argument.

[Euclid]

Absolutely.
 I bet that's the reason for these policies cuz "otherwise you're a fatalist" as logical of an argument as "if you don't do XYZ you're gay" is for a 9 year old.
Not willing to argue speaks far more than any argument.

I'm not calling you a fatalist any more than from what you said yourself:

If we're way ahead of peak capacity, or way behind, why slow this nightmare?  Speed it the hell up.

[davidrotts63]

I'm not calling you a fatalist any more than from what you said yourself:

"I don't understand" would suffice.
Call me a fatalist all day, but fight your side, stick to your grounds and don't fall to the side just like that.

[Euclid]

"I don't understand" would suffice.
Call me a fatalist all day, but fight your side, stick to your grounds and don't fall to the side just like that.

Yes, I truly do not understand why wearing a mask occasionally is so difficult, when there's even a remote possibility that it will be saving a life.


How can I debate someone who's fatalistic about covid about the merits of a mask? We would be talking right past each other.

[davidrotts63]

Yes, I truly do not understand why wearing a mask occasionally is so difficult, when there's even a remote possibility that it will be saving a life.

Maybe there is no possibility. And yes, its difficult, and it induces fear, which is deadly.

[Sam Finkelstein]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/health/coronavirus-hair-salon-masks.html

[Jeremiah]

Yes, I truly do not understand why wearing a mask occasionally is so difficult, when there's even a remote possibility that it will be saving a life.

It's not difficult. But these mandates don't stop there.
Would you rather walk to a close location over driving simply because there is a remote chance of saving a life?

[Jeremiah]

For 4 weeks I have been learning in a packed beis medrash. Not one person wears a mask. One person was wearing one and I assumed eventually he would take it off. He still comes wearing a mask! The only reason I can think of is that he wears it because it's government mandated. Does that make sense to anyone using their brain?
On a side note where does that play a role in חובת השתדלות?

[Sam Finkelstein]

It's not difficult. But these mandates don't stop there.
Would you rather walk to a close location over driving simply because there is a remote chance of saving a life?

You don’t risk exponential spread of an infectious disease with that decision.

[Sam Finkelstein]

For 4 weeks I have been learning in a packed beis medrash. Not one person wears a mask. One person was wearing one and I assumed eventually he would take it off. He still comes wearing a mask! The only reason I can think of is that he wears it because it's government mandated. Does that make sense to anyone using their brain?
On a side note where does that play a role in חובת השתדלות?

Go ask your rabbi, not DDF.

[Jeremiah]

You don’t risk exponential spread of an infectious disease with that decision.

One life is a life

[davidrotts63]

One life is a life

Do you drive?

[Jeremiah]

Do you drive?

Yes because I take reasonable risks.

[ExGingi]

The more time goes by here, the more convinced I get that @CountValentine is really a secret Trump supporter who's goal is to motivate Trump supporters to show up and vote just to stick it to people like him if nothing else.

But that would require registering to vote in a state where the vote might make a difference. Not NY/NJ.

[davidrotts63]

Yes because I take reasonable risks.

Same.

[gozalim]

And so is all our livelihoods, our sanity, and health not pertaining to Covid.
Has the effectiveness of a mask ever been proven?  Heck, even anecdotal evidence supporting it is lacking. If we're way ahead of peak capacity, or way behind, why slow this nightmare?  Speed it the hell up.

lockdowns, not masks, affect your livelihood and those other things.
You're drawing a false equivalence or a straw man to justify your laziness.

[CountValentine]

And yes, its difficult, and it induces fear, which is deadly.

...and there it is, you are afraid. You need to face your fears, not run away from them.

[CountValentine]

We have a thread for masks so please continue it there.