Correct spelling of Yiddish/Jewish names

[Chapshnell]

I have never heard of this. Is there anywhere where such a phenomenon is documented?

Mendel Beilis technically fits this theory. However I have never heard of such a thing but its very interesting and def. an eye opener!

[yelped]

I have never heard of this. Is there anywhere where such a phenomenon is documented?

There were definitely shtetlich with less than a Minyan. But usually there would be minyan close enough nearby that they should have been able to travel in for a Shabbos to give a name.

[SSLPhD]

Can someone please post the girls' נ page?  TIA

[m65]

This looks like the right place to repost this interesting theory.
I heard this from a guy who had lots of stories and ideas.  The stories were always reliable; he had the exact famous players and circumstances.  His ideas were less so.

In Europe long ago, when our people were spread over a  wide area, davening with a minyan was a rare event for many Jews.  When a boy was born, the father worked to get to a mohel as soon as possible, and the baby was named.  On the other hand, when a girl was born, there was no need  to hurry; the father would wait until the next yom tov, sometimes waiting until the  next Yom Kupur, when he would be going to a minyan anyway.  And then he would name his daughter.  But what do you call your baby in the meantime?  Zissel, Shaindel, Feigel, Gittel, Sheina, etc.And that's why there are so many Yiddish names for girls and relatively few for boys.

why didnt they just do backyard/porch minyanim?

[ExGingi]

why didnt they just do backyard/porch minyanim?

They didn't have a ספר תורה.

[Euclid]

Interesting. Didn't know that רייכל was different than רחל. Also they're spelling it (incorrectly?) with two yuds.

[gozalim]

Interesting. Didn't know that רייכל was different than רחל. Also they're spelling it (incorrectly?) with two yuds.

רעכיל is absolutely separate from רחל.
Dunno about the hebraized spelling

[Chapshnell]

Interesting. Didn't know that רייכל was different than רחל. Also they're spelling it (incorrectly?) with two yuds.

Never heard of this name before... obviously its a name
Only these..

רחל
ראכיל or ראכל
רעכיל or רעכל

[Chapshnell]

Can someone please post the girls' נ page?  TIA

Curious, What name?

[ExGingi]

Can someone please post the girls' נ page?  TIA

https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8545&st=&pgnum=164

You might also find this useful: https://www.sefaria.org/Beit_Shmuel%2C_Beit_Shmuel_on_Names_for_Women?lang=bi

[SSLPhD]

This is helpful, thanks.

[moish]

Interesting. Didn't know that רייכל was different than רחל. Also they're spelling it (incorrectly?) with two yuds.

Raichel was her nickname. Her real name was רייכא, which is the equivalent of עשירה in Lashon Kodesh

[moish]

Back to the question of how to spell Leib.

I spoke with a posek in town who happens to be named after R' Leib Malin. He told me that there are stiras in how R' Leib spelled his name.
With regards to psak, he told me that the accepted position here in Yerushalayim is that of R' Yosef Cohen (https://tinyurl.com/y3skcd3y , father of current Chevron Rosh Yeshiva, R' Dovid Cohen) who paskend for Gittin that Litvish spell with one Yud, while Chassidim spell with two. Similar to the psak of R' Yosef Fleishman I cited above.

I mentioned that R' Chaim Stuchiner spelled with 2 yuds, but I subsequently found his wedding invitation where it was spelled with one. So it seems he did both throughout his lifetime.

Bottom line - it's clear to me that there is no universal "correct" way of spelling Yiddish names.

[Chapshnell]

Back to the question of how to spell Leib.

I spoke with a posek in town who happens to be named after R' Leib Malin. He told me that there are stiras in how R' Leib spelled his name.
With regards to psak, he told me that the accepted position here in Yerushalayim is that of R' Yosef Cohen (https://tinyurl.com/y3skcd3y , father of current Chevron Rosh Yeshiva, R' Dovid Cohen) who paskend for Gittin that Litvish spell with one Yud, while Chassidim spell with two. Similar to the psak of R' Yosef Fleishman I cited above.

I mentioned that R' Chaim Stuchiner spelled with 2 yuds, but I subsequently found his wedding invitation where it was spelled with one. So it seems he did both throughout his lifetime.

Bottom line - it's clear to me that there is no universal "correct" way of spelling Yiddish names.

You sir seem to not understand something. You cant bring me a “raya” from a non chasidic source to tell chasidim how they should spell it.

Chasidim follow chasidishe poskim & the sanzer ruv says to spell it with one yid.

[ExGingi]

You sir seem to not understand something. You cant bring me a “raya” from a non chasidic source to tell chasidim how they should spell it.

Chasidim follow chasidishe poskim & the sanzer ruv says to spell it with one yid.

Or, if there's no Chassidishe posek around, you ask a misnaged and do the opposite. 

[Chapshnell]

Or, if there's no Chassidishe posek around, you ask a misnaged and do the opposite. 

Ha 

[YitzyS]

Back to the question of how to spell Leib.

I spoke with a posek in town who happens to be named after R' Leib Malin. He told me that there are stiras in how R' Leib spelled his name.
With regards to psak, he told me that the accepted position here in Yerushalayim is that of R' Yosef Cohen (https://tinyurl.com/y3skcd3y , father of current Chevron Rosh Yeshiva, R' Dovid Cohen) who paskend for Gittin that Litvish spell with one Yud, while Chassidim spell with two. Similar to the psak of R' Yosef Fleishman I cited above.

I mentioned that R' Chaim Stuchiner spelled with 2 yuds, but I subsequently found his wedding invitation where it was spelled with one. So it seems he did both throughout his lifetime.

Bottom line - it's clear to me that there is no universal "correct" way of spelling Yiddish names.

IIRC, the name "Leib" in the sefer "Chiddushei Rav Aryeh Leib Malin" is spelled one way on the cover and another way inside the sefer...

[ExGingi]

IIRC, the name "Leib" in the sefer "Chiddushei Rav Aryeh Leib Malin" is spelled one way on the cover and another way inside the sefer...

So now we're going to bring arguments from the בחור הזעצער? 

[Yonah]

This looks like the right place to repost this interesting theory.
I heard this from a guy who had lots of stories and ideas.  The stories were always reliable; he had the exact famous players and circumstances.  His ideas were less so.

In Europe long ago, when our people were spread over a  wide area, davening with a minyan was a rare event for many Jews.  When a boy was born, the father worked to get to a mohel as soon as possible, and the baby was named.  On the other hand, when a girl was born, there was no need  to hurry; the father would wait until the next yom tov, sometimes waiting until the  next Yom Kupur, when he would be going to a minyan anyway.  And then he would name his daughter.  But what do you call your baby in the meantime?  Zissel, Shaindel, Feigel, Gittel, Sheina, etc.And that's why there are so many Yiddish names for girls and relatively few for boys.

Now that you posted this here, it makes me think of what I like to call the Yiddish Double-Entendre - i.e. men/boys named with both the hebrew and yiddish versions of the same name:

Menachem Mendel
Nosson Nuta
Yitzchok Isaac
Aryeh Leib
Dov Ber

any source on this practice?

[moish]

You sir seem to not understand something. You cant bring me a “raya” from a non chasidic source to tell chasidim how they should spell it.

Chasidim follow chasidishe poskim & the sanzer ruv says to spell it with one yid.

No sir, I believe you misunderstood the point completely. I am in no way trying to tell chassidim how to spell anything.

My point is that since there are serious and respected poskim who spell names differently depending on certain criteria, that is enough for me to say that it is incorrect to assert that there is one universal "correct" way to spell a name. That is all.



P.S. FTR, plenty of chassidim ask shailos to, and bring raayos from non chassidic sources.