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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #380 on: November 01, 2021, 12:44:09 PM »
He describes how they sat down *together* months after he did the "press conference" and decided to move. He didn't unilaterally decide to move there once he made the press conference.

If I understand correctly, @AsherO is taking issue with what he said at the press conference that kind of boxed him into the position, without consulting with his wife (and despite what she had told him). To which I could respond with several stories.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #381 on: November 01, 2021, 12:46:15 PM »
He describes how they sat down *together* months after he did the "press conference" and decided to move. He didn't unilaterally decide to move there once he made the press conference.

Maybe I need to listen again, but it sounded like they sat together and he told her they have to conform to what everyone else already knows. Again, I’m not suggesting to know how this Rebbetzin feels, only with how it was presented.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #382 on: November 01, 2021, 12:54:05 PM »
Maybe I need to listen again, but it sounded like they sat together and he told her they have to conform to what everyone else already knows. Again, I’m not suggesting to know how this Rebbetzin feels, only with how it was presented.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #383 on: November 01, 2021, 01:11:07 PM »
Maybe I need to listen again, but it sounded like they sat together and he told her they have to conform to what everyone else already knows. Again, I’m not suggesting to know how this Rebbetzin feels, only with how it was presented.

You're being medakdek way too much about a heavily edited clip of guy speaking of a conversation he had with his wife a couple decades ago

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #384 on: November 01, 2021, 01:21:03 PM »
It says they discussed it
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #385 on: November 01, 2021, 01:45:08 PM »
Forget the wife, the real part of the story that needs investigating is if Berel Lazar has an alibi for when the shul was vandalized.  :P

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #388 on: November 15, 2021, 02:54:51 PM »
The Zaklos story was highlight for me

https://col.org.il/news/134753

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2021, 03:45:55 PM »
https://col.org.il/news/134753

(For those wondering how come I post a link to this website, the Hebrew site isn't blacklisted, though it's not far from being so).

The author is projecting his own perspective onto the Zaklos' story. They didn't choose between spiritual and physical. They arrived at a place that relative to their previous life to that point was both a material and spiritual עולב מדכדך and they experienced a transformation in both of those realms. It's a false dichotomy the author creates. Yes, there is a challenge in abundance as well, but that is the challenge of our generation, to learn how to synthesize the two with אורות דתוהו בכלים דתיקון
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #390 on: November 15, 2021, 06:32:49 PM »
The author is projecting his own perspective onto the Zaklos' story. They didn't choose between spiritual and physical. They arrived at a place that relative to their previous life to that point was both a material and spiritual עולב מדכדך and they experienced a transformation in both of those realms. It's a false dichotomy the author creates. Yes, there is a challenge in abundance as well, but that is the challenge of our generation, to learn how to synthesize the two with אורות דתוהו בכלים דתיקון

You are missing the writer's point. The writer isn't inferring that the choice we have to make is the same as the choice the Zaklos' made. The Zaklos' choice wasn't between גשמיות and רוחניות. It was about going on shlichus, and they gave up on "anywhere but Russia" because they realized that was the right thing to do, and made a choice, and as an outcome of that choice, they were successful.

The point the writer is making is, unlike your statement that "there is a challenge in abundance as well, but that is the challenge of our generation, to learn how to synthesize the two with אורות דתוהו בכלים דתיקון", the fact remains that we say every day "והאר עינינו בתורתך, ודבק לבנו במצותיך, ויחד לבבנו לאהבה וליראה את שמך", with countless references in Chassidus about how our רצונות ותאוות should be in אלקות, and that having our רצונות focused on תאוות והנאות עוה"ז are diametrically opposed to having them in אלקות.

While we are in דור השביעי, and נסתיימה עבודה הבירורים, etc. etc. none of that negates the fact that wants and desires of worldly luxuries are (especially when talking about setting an example for children) an educational contradiction to the aspiration to have the wants and desires focused on תורה, קדושה and אלקות.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #391 on: November 15, 2021, 08:21:38 PM »
You are missing the writer's point. The writer isn't inferring that the choice we have to make is the same as the choice the Zaklos' made. The Zaklos' choice wasn't between גשמיות and רוחניות. It was about going on shlichus, and they gave up on "anywhere but Russia" because they realized that was the right thing to do, and made a choice, and as an outcome of that choice, they were successful.

The point the writer is making is, unlike your statement that "there is a challenge in abundance as well, but that is the challenge of our generation, to learn how to synthesize the two with אורות דתוהו בכלים דתיקון", the fact remains that we say every day "והאר עינינו בתורתך, ודבק לבנו במצותיך, ויחד לבבנו לאהבה וליראה את שמך", with countless references in Chassidus about how our רצונות ותאוות should be in אלקות, and that having our רצונות focused on תאוות והנאות עוה"ז are diametrically opposed to having them in אלקות.

While we are in דור השביעי, and נסתיימה עבודה הבירורים, etc. etc. none of that negates the fact that wants and desires of worldly luxuries are (especially when talking about setting an example for children) an educational contradiction to the aspiration to have the wants and desires focused on תורה, קדושה and אלקות.

The writer, and you by extension, are right in your message, but I don’t see it in the Zaklos story. The author and you might, I don’t.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #393 on: November 20, 2022, 06:39:54 PM »
Is there a recent trend for unstable streams?
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #394 on: November 20, 2022, 06:48:27 PM »
Is there a recent trend for unstable streams?
Should have consulted with me

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #395 on: November 20, 2022, 06:57:31 PM »
Should have consulted with me

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #396 on: November 20, 2022, 07:08:29 PM »
Again..

Youtube is working

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #397 on: November 20, 2022, 07:31:14 PM »
Again..

Youtube is working

https://youtu.be/I0Fv9OjObg0
Thanks, ridiculous. They should have a link for that.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #398 on: November 20, 2022, 07:36:19 PM »
Thanks, ridiculous. They should have a link for that.
No link ;D

https://youtu.be/I0Fv9OjObg0?t=10723


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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #399 on: November 20, 2022, 07:41:36 PM »
No link ;D



What an epic fail.  How are they not throwing the traffic to YT?
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