Lakewood covid cases

[aygart]

Guys, we can't have 15 different threads (with some of the same protagonists) arguing about the same thing. Let's keep it centralized plz thx bye.

Lol. We have a whole board where each thread is about the same thing.

[Baruch]

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/01/urgent-community-alert-from-chemed.html

[avromie7]

1/4 of the world has no problem. 3/4 of the world has a problem. We know enough to know the difference is behavioral - from the historical regime style through the current leadership to the individual behavior.

It may have been accidental or justified, be we did it to ourselves

Who is the 1/4 of the world without any issues?

[PlatinumGuy]

Who is the 1/4 of the world without any issues?

Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, most of Africa, and to a slightly lesser extent Malaysia, Indonesia, & China. Yes Covid altered their life, but they don't have any major illnesses or restrictions or other than borders, masks, and large gatherings.

And no, they aren't lying about it.

[yzj]

105 new cases

[joe1234]

Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, most of Africa, and to a slightly lesser extent Malaysia, Indonesia, & China. Yes Covid altered their life, but they don't have any major illnesses or restrictions or other than borders, masks, and large gatherings.

And no, they aren't lying about it.

not doubting anything... but am curious how is this possible? lets say they made a shutdown at the right time and everyone there obeyed what they were told... how can they stop it from spreading when the shutdown was over,  even if they are careful, aren't they letting in people from other covid stricken countries?

[yzj]

Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, most of Africa, and to a slightly lesser extent Malaysia, Indonesia, & China. Yes Covid altered their life, but they don't have any major illnesses or restrictions or other than borders, masks, and large gatherings.

And no, they aren't lying about it.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/africa/news/2021-01/africa-battling-a-devastating-second-wave-of-covid-19.html

[PlatinumGuy]

not doubting anything... but am curious how is this possible? lets say they made a shutdown at the right time and everyone there obeyed what they were told... how can they stop it from spreading when the shutdown was over,  even if they are careful, aren't they letting in people from other covid stricken countries?

They have strict border measures, everybody who comes in is isolated under strict observance for 2 weeks. Hong Kong even does 3 weeks.

My point isn't so much whether what we did is right or wrong, I'm just pointing out it's rich to call something Yad Hashem when it isn't only natural but mostly manmade.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/africa/news/2021-01/africa-battling-a-devastating-second-wave-of-covid-19.html

'Most of Africa'

[S209]

not doubting anything... but am curious how is this possible? lets say they made a shutdown at the right time and everyone there obeyed what they were told... how can they stop it from spreading when the shutdown was over,  even if they are careful, aren't they letting in people from other covid stricken countries?

No they are not unless they ascertain that that person does not have COVID and will not transmit COVID onward.

[joe1234]

They have strict border measures, everybody who comes in is isolated under strict observance for 2 weeks. Hong Kong even does 3 weeks.

My point isn't so much whether what we did is right or wrong, I'm just pointing out it's rich to call something Yad Hashem when it isn't only natural but mostly manmade.
'Most of Africa'

so technically any country doing a full shutdown for 2 weeks for every person in the household (don't know how they would enforce that at this point..), and following above method, would take care of the problem, assuming that anyone in a hospital that gets better is also quarantined for 2 weeks.

[S209]

so technically any country doing a full shutdown for 2 weeks for every person in the household (don't know how they would enforce that at this point..), and following above method, would take care of the problem, assuming that anyone in a hospital that gets better is also quarantined for 2 weeks.

Yup. That was and would be the playbook.

[joe1234]

Yup. That was and would be the playbook.

how would a democratic country enforce 2 weeks quarantine per person in household?

[S209]

how would a democratic country enforce 2 weeks quarantine per person in household?

Great question. Ask Australia.

[aygart]

They have strict border measures, everybody who comes in is isolated under strict observance for 2 weeks. Hong Kong even does 3 weeks.

My point isn't so much whether what we did is right or wrong, I'm just pointing out it's rich to call something Yad Hashem when it isn't only natural but mostly manmade.
'Most of Africa'

Question is Canada

[PlatinumGuy]

Question is Canada

What about Canada? They have a more disciplined population and less dissent in the leadership than the US, but not quite like Asia. Quebec and Ontario are coming out of a highly effective lockdown (schools have been closed for about 1 month). There are more than 50k people arriving into Canada daily and they bring in more Covid. Quarantine rules are strong but there has been virtually no enforcement.

so technically any country doing a full shutdown for 2 weeks for every person in the household (don't know how they would enforce that at this point..), and following above method, would take care of the problem, assuming that anyone in a hospital that gets better is also quarantined for 2 weeks.

2 weeks would be if you take every single person and put them in an individual unit. Realistically family members are still infecting each other and you need to allow a minimum amount of food/essential contacts, so it's more like 4-6 weeks even with 100% compliance.

how would a democratic country enforce 2 weeks quarantine per person in household?

Same way we enforce the prohibition to murder each other... education and fines...

[joe1234]

What about Canada? They have a more disciplined population and less dissent in the leadership than the US, but not quite like Asia. Quebec and Ontario are coming out of a highly effective lockdown (schools have been closed for about 1 month). There are more than 50k people arriving into Canada daily and they bring in more Covid. Quarantine rules are strong but there has been virtually no enforcement.

2 weeks would be if you take every single person and put them in an individual unit. Realistically family members are still infecting each other and you need to allow a minimum amount of food/essential contacts, so it's more like 4-6 weeks even with 100% compliance.
Same way we enforce the prohibition to murder each other... education and fines...

i meant that how would you enforce 2 weeks quarantine per member in the household? 4-6 weeks would not be enough for large families and then the viscous cycle starts over again...

[S209]

i meant that how would you enforce 2 weeks quarantine per member in the household? 4-6 weeks would not be enough for large families and then the viscous cycle starts over again...

In large families, a PCR test for each family member every 2 days for 3 weeks should work.

[PlatinumGuy]

i meant that how would you enforce 2 weeks quarantine per member in the household? 4-6 weeks would not be enough for large families and then the viscous cycle starts over again...

You're right, at this point, CovidZero strategies are impractical in the US. The genie is out of the bottle. However, with minor adjustments we can prevent most of the casualties & recurring lockdowns. Stopping any gathering of more than 5 people in a close space would all but eradicate the virus. South Korean and Japan are the global leaders of this strategy.

Japan didn't use the Western 'Social Distancing' playbook of sanitization nonsense and instead focused on the three C's  - closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings.

[PlatinumGuy]

So now we take our medical guidance from the WHO?

The WHO is a forum for health authorities to engage with each other, and together they provide assistance to member states. They have no say over approving or reviewing medicine. They aren't a regulator, they are the conference table.

For what it's worth, The WHO reversed its stance and now recommends vaccinating pregnant women.

[yzj]

98 new cases. Running close to 100 for several days now. I believe these are the highest official numbers since the beginning of covid. Of course in March we didn’t even have 100 tests available most days.