Lakewood covid cases

[PlatinumGuy]

No. It's more noticeable, because many of us look different and we hold ourselves to a higher standard. The world is a pretty narcissistic place these days.

I think if you compare the frum in Israel to the non-frum it's fairly obvious frum people are less concerned with the common good. I'm not saying they're out to hurt people, I'm saying we're failing in educating people to think about others first. And yes, torah and mitzvah are more beneficial than anything the non-frum do, that doesn't change anything.

Going to a simcha when you have a headache and no known exposure is not selfish.

That depends on how prevalent Covid is in the community. In any case, the definition of selfish is subjective. Most of the world sets the bar higher than posters here, and they hate us because they think we set it lower.

[avromie7]

Living and feeding your families is one thing. A 500 person wedding is not that. Come on, now...

The same goes for you and @PlatinumGuy if your only issue was the weddings it would be one thing, but you guys conflate going to a wedding with 500 people after testing positive for COVID with not keeping kids home because they went to sleep late.

[yitzgar]

Who said anything about a headache? Coughing, sneezing, or any sinus issues are a different animal.

Op didn't say what his symptoms were all the times he didn't bother testing. The only one he mentioned was sinuses, which he didn't realize were a corona symptom. Considering that it isn't listed on CDC list of symptoms, that is fair. It is a different situation of one has a cold or something else viral

[PlatinumGuy]

The same goes for you and @PlatinumGuy if your only issue was the weddings it would be one thing, but you guys conflate going to a wedding with 500 people after testing positive for COVID with not keeping kids home because they went to sleep late.

I didn’t equate anything. I said your perception of how to draw the balance between your personal interest and the collective safety is leaning towards selfish more than the rest of the world, and they hate us for it.

[Lurker]

The same goes for you and @PlatinumGuy if your only issue was the weddings it would be one thing, but you guys conflate going to a wedding with 500 people after testing positive for COVID with not keeping kids home because they went to sleep late.

Show me where I even hinted at that. I don't have an issue with a Covid positive person going to a 500 person wedding. I have an issue with there being a 500 person wedding!! And I don't care if your kids want to sleep late, but if they have a cold, keep them home!

[Yehuda57]

The problem is that you prefer to err on the side of your personal comfort instead of erring on the side of protecting everybody else.

The lack of concern for society is precisely what makes secular Jews hate frum Jews and non-Jews hate Jews  הָבָה נִתְחַכְּמָה לוֹ פֶּן יִרְבֶּה וְהָיָה כִּי תִקְרֶאנָה מִלְחָמָה וְנוֹסַף גַּם הוּא עַל שֹׂנְאֵינוּ וְנִלְחַם בָּנוּ

I don't have the time now to detail why, but this is one of the more vile comments I have seen on this forum, and that's saying something.

[Lurker]

Op didn't say what his symptoms were all the times he didn't bother testing. The only one he mentioned was sinuses, which he didn't realize were a corona symptom. Considering that it isn't listed on CDC list of symptoms, that is fair. It is a different situation of one has a cold or something else viral

A headache by itself is not a Covid symptom. It's a headache. I get 4 of them every week. Most people can tell the difference between a headache and something that may be contagious.

Look, I don't think it's crazy to live your life with some precautions without overreacting to every scrape or headache, but if you've got something going on to the point where you think you need to test for Covid, you need to stay home.

[Jellybelly]

A headache by itself is not a Covid symptom. It's a headache. I get 4 of them every week. Most people can tell the difference between a headache and something that may be contagious.

Most people can tell the difference? I’ve heard of many people that tested positive that only had minor symptoms and never would’ve thought it was Corona.

[PlatinumGuy]

Most people can tell the difference? I’ve heard of many people that tested positive that only had minor symptoms and never would’ve thought it was Corona.

What made them test specifically then? There was clearly some indication...

[yitzgar]

A headache by itself is not a Covid symptom. It's a headache. I get 4 of them every week. Most people can tell the difference between a headache and something that may be contagious.

Look, I don't think it's crazy to live your life with some precautions without overreacting to every scrape or headache, but if you've got something going on to the point where you think you need to test for Covid, you need to stay home.

This is exactly what avromie7 was saying
On a personal note, if I get a headache I continue going to shul etc, but I keep double checking myself if it's getting worse etc. Obviously fever, cough, etc is a different story, especially if exposed or possibly exposed

[yitzgar]

What made them test specifically then? There was clearly some indication...

I know a few people that had just a headache or super mild symptoms and only tested when family members and fellow shul friends tested positive

[PlatinumGuy]

I know a few people that had just a headache or super mild symptoms and only tested when family members and fellow shul friends tested positive

That’s a different scenario that OP. OP had symptoms that merited a test, but not abstaining from feeding his family attending a Sheva Brachos.

A negative test doesn’t tell you anything so he should’ve stayed home regardless.

As I said in the beginning, I’m not addressing his personal case, just the general Lakewood attitude under similar circumstances.

[Jellybelly]

What made them test specifically then? There was clearly some indication...

Very weak.
I can think of many reasons to test without symptoms

[yitzgar]

That’s a different scenario that OP. OP had symptoms that merited a test, but not abstaining from feeding his family attending a Sheva Brachos.

A negative test doesn’t tell you anything so he should’ve stayed home regardless.

As I said in the beginning, I’m not addressing his personal case, just the general Lakewood attitude under similar circumstances.

My impression from ip was that it only merited a test because of Sheva brachos

[PlatinumGuy]

Very weak.
I can think of many reasons to test without symptoms

Of course. We’re talking about a case where symptoms alone merit a test.

[Lurker]

My impression from ip was that it only merited a test because of Sheva brachos

At some point you stop running to get tested every time you feel a little under the weather. Earlier on I got tested when I wasn't feeing well, once was strep and another was just a virus. After that I stopped running to get tested every time I felt a little under the weather, of course this week the same thing happened and we decided to get tested just in case because we had a sheva brachos and wanted to avoid infecting anyone on the off chance that it was COVID... and it was. Interestingly, while my wife got a positive rapid (and PCR), my rapid came back negative but my PCR came back positive.

If I'm reading this correctly, the sheva brachos inspired him to rule out Covid because he was already feeling under the weather. I don't want to take away from him making the effort to get tested. It was the right thing to do and should be 100% commended. Separately, considering going to sheva brachos when feeling under the weather is just ill-advised (no pun intended).

[Moshe123]

I don't have the time now to detail why, but this is one of the more vile comments I have seen on this forum, and that's saying something.

No words.

[ShimshonK]

if you've got something going on to the point where you think you need to test for Covid, you need to stay home.

I agree, but unfortunately, some people take this logic as a reason not to test. They feel guilty going out after testing (before getting results), but if they simply don't test, they just say that they never thought it was covid altogether.

[Jellybelly]

I don't have the time now to detail why, but this is one of the more vile comments I have seen on this forum, and that's saying something.

This is where @CountValentine would say, you have to get  out more

[Euclid]

Apparently there's been a massive spike of stillborns over the past couple of weeks. (Specifically stillborns, didn't hear about miscarriages.)