Lakewood covid cases

[yitzgar]

in our shuls We have a section for those over 60 that wear a mask, and the rest enjoys life as usual, how is your kiddush with a mask?

It's good we have our priorities straight....what would life be without a Kiddush?

[yitzgar]

FTFY

Not at all true

[avromie7]

Literally everywhere in the United States (and probably many other countries), everyone is wearing masks when indoors in public places. The one major exception is Jewish communities in NY/NJ. Must be because of how smart we are....

The fact is, screaming this will only make people less likely to listen if the situation gets serious.

[avromie7]

Not at all true

Where have you been?

[S209]

Even @yuneeq admitted he didn't realize the extent. You're sounding the alarm like we have a major outbreak going on. You compared now to March multiple times. You're the definition of the boy who cried wolf.

No. I asked *you* to define when and what you would do to preempt it. Instead of addressing what I said you chose to attack my choice of words. I must say I’m not surprised.

We do have the largest outbreak going on since early April. Do you disagree?

[yitzgar]

Where have you been?

A number of rural areas that probably had more trump signs in one square mile than the entire NYC

[S209]

FTFY

You’re kidding me. Do you live under a rock?

[yesitsme]

While that’s commendable, it’s not the norm in the shuls I regularly attend. One can argue it’s insufficient as well but it’s definitely a large step.

This is not something new, this is how it is since reopening shvuas time

Corona is not active in our neighborhood (at worst you have a few people home for a couple of days)
Covid doesn't effect the young population except in rare cases

There is no reason not to live life as usual except if you're part of the vulnerable community

[aygart]

I don't have a hard number, but a few isolated cases isn't enough. As of now, I believe the overwhelming majority of new cases know where they got it.

Yup they all know they got it at weddings. Doesn't that tell you that something should be changed at weddings?

[SayWhat]

Everyone! I've said it multiple times and my position hasn't changed. Significant community spread is where I draw the line.

Why is it that you insist on waiting till there is "Significant community spread" to wear a mask? At the point where there is significant community spread you are beyond the point where wearing a mask will help. Calling for people to wear masks now is not being an alarmist, it's called being a realist. In February one of the "World Experts" on pandemics said that in order to avoid a pandemic you have to be proactive and be a step ahead of the virus, if you wait till you have the facts you are already too late. We found this out the hard way already, yet here you are arguing the same nonsense.

If we wait till there is significant community spread, people in our community will die. There are old and infirm and no matter how much they try to project themselves they will be exposed. Do you have no sense of Achryis towards others?

I prefer to wear a mask and if I'm wrong I wore a mask unnecessarily. Others don't wear a mask and if they are wrong....?

   

[S209]

This is not something new, this is how it is since reopening shvuas time

Corona is not active in our neighborhood (at worst you have a few people home for a couple of days)
Covid doesn't kill the young and healthy population within weeks at a higher rate than some other illnesses

There is no reason not to live life as usual except if you're part of the vulnerable community or interact with any of them or their households, or would prefer not to be quite sick for weeks with possible long term side effects

FTFY

[aygart]

Everyone! I've said it multiple times and my position hasn't changed. Significant community spread is where I draw the line.

Wouldn't that be too late?

[aygart]

You’re kidding me. Do you live under a rock?

Close enough. He lives in Lakewood.

[Lurker]

Why is it that you insist on waiting till there is "Significant community spread" to wear a mask?

Wouldn't that be too late?

Because this is how the frum community deals with every issue. We wait until it's a crisis before we're ok with doing something about, or even just acknowledging, the issue. OTD? Drugs? Mental health? School acceptance? Seminaries? Shidduch? Weddings? Finances? Literally everything needs to be a crisis before we wake up. And that's when the panic really begins.

[yitzgar]

Because this is how the frum community deals with every issue. We wait until it's a crisis before we're ok with doing something about, or even just acknowledging, the issue. OTD? Drugs? Mental health? School acceptance? Seminaries? Shidduch? Weddings? Finances? Literally everything needs to be a crisis before we wake up. And that's when the panic really begins.

I don't blame people for not being aware at the time of the first wave. But this time you have to literally have your brain shut off not to try to at least take simple, easy steps to prevent it from happening again. Nobody is calling for a shutdown. Everyone outside of new York and Lakewood have been doing these things for the past few months. It's really not that hard to limit capacity of indoor places just a little bit, wear a mask, and not throw big parties.

[SayWhat]

Literally everywhere democrat city in the United States (and probably many other countries), everyone is wearing masks when indoors in public places. The one major exception is Jewish communities in NY/NJ. Must be because of how smart we are....

It's unfortunate that wearing a mask has become a political issue, this should have nothing to do with politics. 

[YitzyS]

Close enough. He lives in Lakewood.

Maybe. But my rock is much newer than your rock, and it's an XLE with leather seats and built-in wifi!

[aygart]

It's unfortunate that wearing a mask has become a political issue, this should have nothing to do with politics.

Good luck getting that cat back into the bag

[yitzgar]

It's unfortunate that wearing a mask has become a political issue, this should have nothing to do with politics.

It's not a political issue. The non-maskers are trying to create that narrative but if you get out more, you will see that it is false

[Lurker]

I don't blame people for not being aware at the time of the first wave. But this time you have to literally have your brain shut off not to try to at least take simple, easy steps to prevent it from happening again. Nobody is calling for a shutdown. Everyone outside of new York and Lakewood have been doing these things for the past few months. It's really not that hard to limit capacity of indoor places just a little bit, wear a mask, and not throw big parties.

I'm not talking avoiding things that can't be foreseen. I'm talking about reacting to avoidable crises while they are still relatively manageable issues.