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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #280 on: August 29, 2020, 11:49:16 PM »
From talk with neighbors and family, it seems like a good portion of Lakewood is aware of the spike. That's basically all we can hope for at this point - awareness. Public mandates aren't going to work anymore.

(Restrictions on weddings are something which can/should be addressed via caterers/wedding halls.)

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #281 on: August 29, 2020, 11:53:30 PM »
Yup they all know they got it at weddings. Doesn't that tell you that something should be changed at weddings?
Good point

A vast majority of new cases seem to be directly related to weddings, OOT guests or a combination of the two. While there has been some lame attempts to create some awareness in regard to OOT guests there has been nothןng about חתונות. Why?

A better question during the height of corona if you davened in a shul people called you a rotzeiach yet noone said anything about the חתונות that continued to go on (obviously in a much more toned down version). A backyard minyan with 10-20 people with SD was definitely safer than a backyard חתונה. Letters were written about the aiva generated by davening with a minyan but nothing said about חתונות that IMHO generated a lot more aiva. Lag bomer many chasunos took place indoors with no SD and most people not wearing masks, all while almost all shuls were still closed.

Another problem is being that חתונות are private events they are very hard to regulate. Also at a time of simcha people let their guard down and aren't interested in restrictions.

Bottom line people not wearing masks in shul, yeshiva, or the store is not whats causing new cases and noone is willing to do anything about חתונות

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #282 on: August 29, 2020, 11:56:57 PM »
Good point

A vast majority of new cases seem to be directly related to weddings, OOT guests or a combination of the two. While there has been some lame attempts to create some awareness in regard to OOT guests there has been nothןng about חתונות. Why?

A better question during the height of corona if you davened in a shul people called you a rotzeiach yet noone said anything about the חתונות that continued to go on (obviously in a much more toned down version). A backyard minyan with 10-20 people with SD was definitely safer than a backyard חתונה. Letters were written about the aiva generated by davening with a minyan but nothing said about חתונות that IMHO generated a lot more aiva. Lag bomer many chasunos took place indoors with no SD and most people not wearing masks, all while almost all shuls were still closed.

Another problem is being that חתונות are private events they are very hard to regulate. Also at a time of simcha people let their guard down and aren't interested in restrictions.

Bottom line people not wearing masks in shul, yeshiva, or the store is not whats causing new cases and noone is willing to do anything about חתונות

People said plenty about chasunos back then. It didn't get as much coverage as shuls because, unlike shuls, there was no one defending weddings, so there were no arguments.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #283 on: August 29, 2020, 11:58:31 PM »
From talk with neighbors and family, it seems like a good portion of Lakewood is aware of the spike. That's basically all we can hope for at this point - awareness. Public mandates aren't going to work anymore.

(Restrictions on weddings are something which can/should be addressed via caterers/wedding halls.)
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #284 on: August 30, 2020, 12:25:05 AM »

Maybe the doctors would be better off using their resources to combat some of the misinformation and educate the community about the basic facts. You have a very prominent personage telling people that no one died of Covid; the doctors killed them all in the hospitals, and that the fact that one doesn’t hear of many childhood leukemia diagnosis in the past few months is evidence that they were caused by vaccinations, or that masks make people sick. Others are telling people that the whole aiva parsha was a lie- it never happened that doctors and nurses blamed it on minyanim etc. It’s time for a fact checking and public information campaign in those areas. That would be a good use of resources at this time.

Those claiming that doctors killed everyone must have a hard time explaining all those  people who died without making it to the hospital. There are so many anecdotes of aiva from Bikur Cholim and others who were in the hospitals. Maybe someone can provide these prominent people with the facts.
The mask thing might be referring to reports of headaches and lowered oxygen levels by those wearing masks for extended periods. Leukemia? Vaccinations? ?!?

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #285 on: August 30, 2020, 09:59:01 AM »
Yup they all know they got it at weddings. Doesn't that tell you that something should be changed at weddings?
How about we ask the people that got the virus at the weddings what they did. I've been by weddings where there was a completely care free attitude hugging/kissing etc. Before we Jump to conclusions where the wedding has to be, who can come, what you have to wear... Maybe let's limit the hugging and kissing that may just be the culprit. We are now 2 + weeks into this "Spike" and nothing changed SD and the spike seems to be contained to weddings/simchas (or camps which are over) so let's just fix that and stop screaming about the masks, sd everywhere else.

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #286 on: August 30, 2020, 10:12:58 AM »
How about we ask the people that got the virus at the weddings what they did. I've been by weddings where there was a completely care free attitude hugging/kissing etc. Before we Jump to conclusions where the wedding has to be, who can come, what you have to wear... Maybe let's limit the hugging and kissing that may just be the culprit. We are now 2 + weeks into this "Spike" and nothing changed SD and the spike seems to be contained to weddings/simchas (or camps which are over) so let's just fix that and stop screaming about the masks, sd everywhere else.
But what if there are other actions at the wedding that are the culprit?
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #289 on: August 30, 2020, 10:24:52 AM »
Who could have predicted that one?

You know chadarim are open for months already?

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #290 on: August 30, 2020, 10:27:44 AM »
You know chadarim are open for months already?
Right. Are you having difficulty with numbers? The number of cases has been more than doubling weekly for a month. Did you really not think this was going to happen? Is your cognitive dissonance THAT BAD?


THis isn't isolated either. I know of another similar case.


Is having a full blown wedding really THAT important? We can risk health to unkowns to keep yeshivos open but can't change weddings to keep them pen? That leads me to question how much was really concern about yeshivos and shuls and not just "wanting to get out".
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Lakewood cases
« Reply #291 on: August 30, 2020, 10:31:45 AM »
BREAKING UPDATE: UPDATE: Another school sent home an entire class as well after a student came down with Covid, TLS has learned. https://twitter.com/LakewoodScoop/status/1300078053603696640

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #292 on: August 30, 2020, 10:33:53 AM »
BREAKING UPDATE: UPDATE: Another school sent home an entire class as well after a student came down with Covid, TLS has learned. https://twitter.com/lakewoodscoop/status/1300074290268770304
This might be the other case I was referring to. @Moshe123 do you think this will be the end of it?
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #293 on: August 30, 2020, 11:42:20 AM »
So, because weddings have to have 1000 people that wish they weren't there, all the Schools may close. Brilliant.

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #294 on: August 30, 2020, 12:23:53 PM »

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #295 on: August 30, 2020, 01:35:22 PM »
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #296 on: August 30, 2020, 02:11:52 PM »
Keep in mind that there have been 70 confirmed cases in the last 2 weeks. That doesn't include the many people we know who are not getting tested. That doesn't include people from surrounding areas who are in and out of Lakewood daily. That doesn't include the people from the greater Tri-state area or OOT who were infected at Lakewood events. 70 is the lowest possible number we're dealing with.

Putting aside the risk to the greater community for a second, let's assume the spread doesn't get too crazy, just doubles for the next few weeks. We'd still only be seeing 100 cases this week, 200 the next, and 400 the next. Even if it doesn't double, and we only see 300 cases in 3 weeks. Do you understand that this would mean many hundreds, if not thousand, of people who won't be able to go to shul on Rosh Hashana? Every sick case, plus their families and close contacts, will have to quarantine. On top of that, all of the mid-to-high risk people will have to stay hone because there are too many cases in the community for them to go to public places like shuls. So there won't be a repeat of March and there won't be a situation where the whole community has it. How many people need to have their Yomim Noraim ruined? How many people need to miss out on davening with a minyan? How many families need to spend Tishrei isolated or worrying about a hospitalized family member? Is it really too much to ask people to take some precautions for 6 weeks? Wear a mask? Keep the weddings smaller?

Enough is enough.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #297 on: August 30, 2020, 02:15:23 PM »
Keep in mind that there have been 70 confirmed cases in the last 2 weeks. That doesn't include the many people we know who are not getting tested. That doesn't include people from surrounding areas who are in and out of Lakewood daily. That doesn't include the people from the greater Tri-state area or OOT who were infected at Lakewood events. 70 is the lowest possible number we're dealing with.

Putting aside the risk to the greater community for a second, let's assume the spread doesn't get too crazy, just doubles for the next few weeks. We'd still only be seeing 100 cases this week, 200 the next, and 400 the next. Even if it doesn't double, and we only see 300 cases in 3 weeks. Do you understand that this would mean many hundreds, if not thousand, of people who won't be able to go to shul on Rosh Hashana? Every sick case, plus their families and close contacts, will have to quarantine. On top of that, all of the mid-to-high risk people will have to stay hone because there are too many cases in the community for them to go to public places like shuls. So there won't be a repeat of March and there won't be a situation where the whole community has it. How many people need to have their Yomim Noraim ruined? How many people need to miss out on davening with a minyan? How many families need to spend Tishrei isolated or worrying about a hospitalized family member? Is it really too much to ask people to take some precautions for 6 weeks? Wear a mask? Keep the weddings smaller?

Enough is enough.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #298 on: August 30, 2020, 02:20:04 PM »
You really need help, refuah shleima.

Which part of my post do you feel warrants calling me sick? Break it down for me.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #299 on: August 30, 2020, 02:20:58 PM »
You really need help, refuah shleima.
Coming from someone advocating lockdown since we reached 20 per week.
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