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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #420 on: September 02, 2020, 11:07:27 AM »
If you take the numbers of all of the Jewish communities in the Tri-State area as a whole than all of the causes of death you listed are responsible for perhaps a maximum of 5-10 per year (all vividly publicized by YWN)..

And the COVID deaths possibly exceed 1,000(!)
You really think that there are only 5-10 deaths a year from obesity related causes? Many COVID deaths themselves  had that as a contributing cause.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #421 on: September 02, 2020, 11:10:25 AM »
You really think that there are only 5-10 deaths a year from obesity related causes? Many COVID deaths themselves  had that as a contributing cause.
I was referring to the causes of death mentioned in the original post- Bein Hazmanim road trips, swimming pools, traveling to long distance weddings.

Personal health issues is a whole ‘nother Pandora’s box. I believe we were discussing things that will result in immediate death. It’s completely possible that the long term effects of COVOD will have a worse effect than that of obesity..
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #422 on: September 02, 2020, 11:21:36 AM »
I was referring to the causes of death mentioned in the original post- Bein Hazmanim road trips, swimming pools, traveling to long distance weddings.

Personal health issues is a whole ‘nother Pandora’s box. I believe we were discussing things that will result in immediate death. It’s completely possible that the long term effects of COVOD will have a worse effect than that of obesity..
But you not acting safely with covid protections endangers others. That's not in dispute. You don't just get to wave that away.

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #423 on: September 02, 2020, 11:36:58 AM »
But you not acting safely with covid protections endangers others. That's not in dispute. You don't just get to wave that away.
This is exactly why the whole world  hates each other. If you view everyone else as a problem.....

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #424 on: September 02, 2020, 11:40:09 AM »
This is exactly why the whole world  hates each other. If you view everyone else as a problem.....

Yes, this is exactly why the whole world hates each other.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #425 on: September 02, 2020, 11:41:22 AM »
But you not acting safely with covid protections endangers others. That's not in dispute. You don't just get to wave that away.
Correct, I was not disputing that.
This is exactly why the whole world  hates each other. If you view everyone else as a problem.....
This is very sad. We are talking about frum communities. Why can’t we expect everyone, ourselves included, to be considerate of others? I don’t think that is a cause for hate.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #426 on: September 02, 2020, 11:59:31 AM »
This is exactly why the whole world  hates each other. If you view everyone else as a problem.....
Only those who don't care about spreading potentially deadly disease to others and those who loot and burn down other peoples property. If someone can't be considerate enough to avoid spreading a disease to me then I have a right to be upset at them.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #427 on: September 02, 2020, 12:03:22 PM »
This is exactly why the whole world  hates each other. If you view everyone else as a problem.....

I made fun of this, but there is some truth here in the inverse. If everyone thought about the repercussions their actions would have on others, there would be so much less hate in the world. Hillel had this figured out centuries ago al regel aches.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #428 on: September 02, 2020, 12:05:45 PM »
I made fun of this, but there is some truth here in the inverse. If everyone thought about the repercussions their actions would have on others, there would be so much less hate in the world. Hillel had this figured out centuries ago al regel aches.

FTFY
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« Reply #429 on: September 02, 2020, 12:08:13 PM »
FTFY

Fixed. Started writing about V'ahavta l'reiacha kamocha and switched thoughts.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #430 on: September 02, 2020, 12:48:06 PM »
Only those who don't care about spreading potentially deadly disease to others and those who loot and burn down other peoples property. If someone can't be considerate enough to avoid spreading a disease to me then I have a right to be upset at them.
Exactly my point. Nobody cares about anybody else, everyone is just nervous about themselves. You want someone to wear a mask not because he might infect other people, but because he might infect you. And that's exactly what covid did. It turned humanity on each other. Nobody really cares covid spreading or anything, they just want to make sure it doesn't affect them.

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #431 on: September 02, 2020, 01:16:32 PM »
Exactly my point. Nobody cares about anybody else, everyone is just nervous about themselves. You want someone to wear a mask not because he might infect other people, but because he might infect you. And that's exactly what covid did. It turned humanity on each other. Nobody really cares covid spreading or anything, they just want to make sure it doesn't affect them.

Not sure how in the world you saw that in what I wrote. Nobody burned or looted anything of mine. I am a part of "anybody else". When people are selfish and inconsiderate of society that should expect people to turn on them.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #432 on: September 02, 2020, 01:28:47 PM »


Not sure how in the world you saw that in what I wrote. Nobody burned or looted anything of mine. I am a part of "anybody else". When people are selfish and inconsiderate of society that should expect people to turn on them.

Didn't mean you as you personally, you meant an individual. People don't care about a greater good or society, only about themselves. People are scared of the high number of covid cases because impact their lives. They aren't concerned about others lives.

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #433 on: September 02, 2020, 01:47:49 PM »
Exactly my point. Nobody cares about anybody else, everyone is just nervous about themselves. You want someone to wear a mask not because he might infect other people, but because he might infect you. And that's exactly what covid did. It turned humanity on each other. Nobody really cares covid spreading or anything, they just want to make sure it doesn't affect them.

Didn't mean you as you personally, you meant an individual. People don't care about a greater good or society, only about themselves. People are scared of the high number of covid cases because impact their lives. They aren't concerned about others lives.

This has been enlightening. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you think this way. Tell me, am I afraid that people in Lakewood or NY will get me sick? What's my angle? Am I fear-mongering to cause chaos for my benefit? After all, this must somehow be about me.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #434 on: September 02, 2020, 01:59:49 PM »
I want other people to wear a mask for the same reason I wear a mask: To be considerate of other people, and not get them sick.

I hate wearing the mask, it can be uncomfortable, it's hard to breathe especially when it's hot....but I wear it anyway, so if chas veshalom I'm carrying it, I won't spread it.

and yes, I expect other people to also be considerate human beings.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #435 on: September 02, 2020, 02:20:43 PM »
People don't care about a greater good or society, only about themselves. People are scared of the high number of covid cases because impact their lives. They aren't concerned about others lives.

Ipcha Mistabra. People dont care about the high number of covid cases because the preventative measures impact their lives. They aren't concerned about others lives.

If one side says do something for the good of society, and the other side says "don't have to, don't want to, can't make me"... who doesn't care about others??

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #436 on: September 02, 2020, 03:07:09 PM »
A rebbe in a Lakewood mesivta tested positive today
26 new cases via OCHD
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« Reply #437 on: September 02, 2020, 03:13:57 PM »
A rebbe in a Lakewood mesivta tested positive today
26 new cases via OCHD

61 on the week, in case anyone is counting.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #438 on: September 02, 2020, 06:47:40 PM »
I want other people to wear a mask for the same reason I wear a mask: To be considerate of other people, and not get them sick.

I hate wearing the mask, it can be uncomfortable, it's hard to breathe especially when it's hot....but I wear it anyway, so if chas veshalom I'm carrying it, I won't spread it.

and yes, I expect other people to also be considerate human beings.
I hate going through TSA. But I accept that it's needed for safety. It is what it is.

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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #439 on: September 02, 2020, 07:11:47 PM »
I think you are starting to see some movement. Some schools are staggering or canceling orientations. Asifas have been postponed. I think the cheder and Bais faiga are at least trying to implement segregating classes etc. so  there is at least some awareness of the need to exercise some reasonable caution.